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Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Call me cynical, but I couldn't help but notice Musk seemed to be going about his effort with the maximum amount of tweeting and publicity possible.

I wonder how many on HN are thinking more about Elon Musk's now-not-needed rescue plan than the delight those mothers of those boys must be feeling! There is also a tragedy going on in Japan right now with a lot of people actually with us no more. But a few million people with flooded homes is a 'statistic' whereas a few boys in a cave is a 'tragedy' to paraphrase Stalin. I think that there is a time for offering ass…

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Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Why wasn't the death of Saman Gunan more widely publicized? I barely heard about it - in the NYT article on this it's a single sentence 2/3rds of the way through the article. I'd have thought that the concept of someone sacrificing themselves for the recovery of 12 children would have been a major story. The Guardian's liveblog (or whatever this is) doesn't mention it in the first couple pages, nor do the responses o…

It was the front page story on Friday's Guardian I think.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Awesome! I love how the global diving community came together to rescue them, it's unfortunate that Petty Officer Saman Gunan died after doing a run of oxygen tanks to the caves though. I even liked how Musk came out of left field "grab that tube, we're making a rescue pod!" and then hopped on a plane with it when it was tested and ready. While it didn't really matter I like that sort of thinking outside of the box a…

Musk had no business being involved. Really, 'inventing' a MVP prototype of a submarine which he 'tested' in a swimming pool and then intended to test for real on live children, when an existing rescue effort underway was working? This was egoism at its finest, taking public credit for 'helping' with a rescue he wasn't invited or asked to help with. And the media ate it up hook, line and sinker.

I’m no going to dispute that Musk might’ve been on a narcissistic trip, he admitted as much himself. However in his defense, the sub was made of falcon 9 liquid oxygen transfer tubes and the water in the cave was no deeper than a swimming pool it was just in a cave. Plus the whole rescue operation was very much let’s figure out a plan and try it on live kids as there weren’t really any other options. AFAIK no one has ever tried to do a multiple km rescue dive in a cave, with fatigued and terrified pre-teens who can’t swim let alone do basic scuba.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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The amazing part to me is that it was 12 kids and one adult. Between the fear and the biological needs, I wonder what kept them alive for so long. First, the first time I fasted I was quited stressed about it, and it was in controlled, cozy environment. Second, they didn't know if anybody would come. Not even if somebody could come. For 9 days without eating and living in their own shit in the dark, they wondered. I'…

> For 9 days without eating and living in their own shit in the dark Not to mention the cold. There's a hero-story about the coach that's yet to be told I reckon.

Somewhere it was mentioned that the temperature in the cave was about 23°C (73°F).

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Awesome! I love how the global diving community came together to rescue them, it's unfortunate that Petty Officer Saman Gunan died after doing a run of oxygen tanks to the caves though. I even liked how Musk came out of left field "grab that tube, we're making a rescue pod!" and then hopped on a plane with it when it was tested and ready. While it didn't really matter I like that sort of thinking outside of the box a…

Call me cynical, but I couldn't help but notice Musk seemed to be going about his effort with the maximum amount of tweeting and publicity possible.

Actually this started when a random guy on Twitter asked him whether he could help: https://twitter.com/MabzMagz/status/1014251869760249856

I got the feeling that he just jumped in on that, without further thinking (which at least to me seems sympathetic). Got the feeling that it rather hurt their PR as people were quick to call it a PR stunt, which is foreseeable if you mainly think about PR.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Musk had no business being involved. Really, 'inventing' a MVP prototype of a submarine which he 'tested' in a swimming pool and then intended to test for real on live children, when an existing rescue effort underway was working? This was egoism at its finest, taking public credit for 'helping' with a rescue he wasn't invited or asked to help with. And the media ate it up hook, line and sinker.

One of the biggest philosophical questions is whether helping people because you see it benefiting yourself is still a good deed... Ask yourself, does it really matter what his motivations for helping were? At the end of the day he was prepared to help. If someone volunteers at the soup kitchen not because they want to help people but because they need community service hours, are you really going to complain about t…

"They have already received their reward" comes to mind.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Call me cynical, but I couldn't help but notice Musk seemed to be going about his effort with the maximum amount of tweeting and publicity possible.

His efforts turned out to be a bit of a damp squib but that's because the rescue effort was launched earlier than expected due to coming heavy rains. There was talk about having the kids wait in there until as late as November, or maybe a long process of drilling an escape hole. If the rescue had begun a week or two later, perhaps Musk's gadget would have been used. As it is, the divers already had a plan that, by th…

He himself said something akin to "I may be a narcissist, but at least a useful one".

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Can anyone explain how the heck they found the children in the first place? Seriously, I can't wrap my head around it. The kids were stranded 2.5 miles inside the cave. All anyone knew was that the kids didn't return form their hike. How does that lead to "Hey, let's dive into the cave and maybe we'll find live children"? I guess they were expecting the worst, but still.

Some of the parents already knew whwre they kids are heading. When they did not hear from them, they alerted the authorities.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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post #5

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The amazing part to me is that it was 12 kids and one adult. Between the fear and the biological needs, I wonder what kept them alive for so long. First, the first time I fasted I was quited stressed about it, and it was in controlled, cozy environment. Second, they didn't know if anybody would come. Not even if somebody could come. For 9 days without eating and living in their own shit in the dark, they wondered. I'…

The coach. He shared what little rations they had, and his condition was visibly worse than the children by the time they were found. He also helped them by teaching them meditation, so as not to focus on their hunger.

> He also helped them by teaching them meditation, so as not to focus on their hunger.

Learning meditation is hard. Learning meditation when you are scared, hungry and in such a bad situation is extra hard.

So if the guy pulled it off with 12 terrorized famished kids for 9 days, he deserves his own temple.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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> Call me cynical Okay, you are cynical. But in all seriousness given the domain knowledge that Musk has at his disposal he was perfectly entitled to get involved. Tweeting his thoughts is pretty much how he rolls ...

In the end he made a lot of noise and then did not actually contribute anything to the effort.

You're arguing the point that because his help wasn't needed in the end that he shouldn't have offered to help.

But it's conceivable that his expertise could have been useful.

Did any other organisations offer subterranean expertise? Genuine question, e.g. mining companies, drilling, or was it just that Musk made the most noise about it?

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