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Sleep Scientist Warns Against Walking Through Life 'In an Underslept State'

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Post by pocak »

Lio wrote: post #59
Tomte wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you get to the article you were linked to? Because I‘m always redirected to their front page, with no way to get to the article that was linked.

Hmm, no I spoke too soon! Sorry, I can’t reach it either. Even tried editing the article URL to no avail. :(

There's a nine digit number in the middle of the normal URL. You can take a text-only URL and replace the identifier at the end.

Shame on them for not making all articles reachable from the text home page, and for not redirecting to the article from the choice page.

https://text.npr.org/s.php?sId=558058812

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Post by notsosmart »

coldtea wrote: post #3

> Sleep is not like the bank, so you can't accumulate a debt and then try and pay it off at a later point in time. And the reason is this: We know that if I were to deprive you of sleep for an entire night — take away eight hours — and then in the subsequent night I give you all of the sleep that you want, however much you wish to consume, you never get back all that you lost. You will sleep longer, but you will neve…

This might not be true... http://www.health.com/sleep/sleeping-in-weekend

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Post by darkerside »

haskellandchill wrote: post #16
hugja wrote: post #13

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I'm curious have you ever tried working out in the early hours after waking up? This alone determines if I'm getting good sleep or not. I'll end up staying up way later into the night unless I worked out that morning.

People with chronic insomnia have generally tried everything and it’s unhelpful and annoying to offer your suggestions, I realize you’re trying to help but yeah.

Also pretty obnoxious to jump in as a third party and sass someone for trying to be helpful to someone else. Puer can speak for himself if this is bothering him, and since he's posting about it on a public forum, I actually doubt that it does.

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Post by freehunter »

darkerside wrote: post #61
freehunter wrote: post #46

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I'm not a sleep scientist but it sounds pretty logical to me. If I'm chopping vegetables for dinner and I cut myself with the knife, it takes time to heal. But chances are it's never going to be completely healed. There will be a scar. If I cut myself with a knife then for the next few days I don't cut myself with a knife, the wound will heal but the scar will remain. I can't cut myself one day and then go several da…

We actually do celebrate athletes' physical sacrifices. Think marathon runners pushing across the finish line, or a running back selling out for the touchdown. It's probably something wired into us as human beings. Just a side note. Your analogy is on point and helpful.

Very good point, thank you.

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Post by darkerside »

Puer wrote: post #27
HyperTalk2 wrote: post #24

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Have a doctor perform a sleep study examination.

I have. I was diagnosed with Delayed Sleep Phase Disorder and Type I Chronic Insomnia.

What recommendations did the doctor have for next steps?

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Post by darkerside »

barry-cotter wrote: post #56
_5ysi wrote: post #43

We have had industrial shift hours for nearly two centuries, and before that in the Army and Navy. Yet large organizations are still implementing new shift/watch schedules to (or sometimes purportedly to) improve health and alertness based on scientific results. https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2016/10/28/this-lif... What is the problem with science here? Without being an expert it seems like there are three…

4) No one gives a shit about the long term health effects. There are lots of pieces of knowledge that have obvious practical implications that aren’t acted upon because it’s inconvenient and the function of a system is different from what people say it’s for. School is more childcare than education and using the same buses for elementary and high school is cheaper so all high school students are sleep deprived and le…

Can you explain more about forgetting curve and direct instruction?

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Post by lithos »

tedajax wrote: post #5
coldtea wrote: post #3

> Sleep is not like the bank, so you can't accumulate a debt and then try and pay it off at a later point in time. And the reason is this: We know that if I were to deprive you of sleep for an entire night — take away eight hours — and then in the subsequent night I give you all of the sleep that you want, however much you wish to consume, you never get back all that you lost. You will sleep longer, but you will neve…

Yeah this is one of those oft repeated pieces of advice that has never made sense to me. It's always worded such that it sounds like the effects of any sleep deprivation ever are permanent.

Of course they are.

You'll learn less in your sleep deprived states, Which are days you aren't going to get back. Your sleep deprived self will also be better at creating tech debt, which takes away time from the future.

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Post by Reason077 »

newacct500 wrote: post #31
andor wrote: post #23

Apart from quantity, quality of sleep is also important. I just realized how much a little light can disturb sleep. My blinds are opaque but hung 1-2 cm from the window frame, letting in just a few unwanted photons. I temporarily taped the blinds to the frame, leaving the room in almost complete darkness. I haven't felt this rested in years. Do try this at home!

I've never understood how this could be the case, evolutionarily speaking. Even in the absence of electrical light, there is rarely complete darkness. Did our remote ancestors just sleep extremely poorly whenever there was a lot of moonlight?

Away from cities it gets very dark at night, unless there is a full moon. But near cities there is a lot of light pollution, so we're always in a state of near-twilight.

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Post by Reason077 »

andor wrote: post #23

Apart from quantity, quality of sleep is also important. I just realized how much a little light can disturb sleep. My blinds are opaque but hung 1-2 cm from the window frame, letting in just a few unwanted photons. I temporarily taped the blinds to the frame, leaving the room in almost complete darkness. I haven't felt this rested in years. Do try this at home!

Another solution to a too-bright room is those eye-covering masks like airlines give out. I try to use them at this time of year otherwise the 5AM sunrise wakes me up earlier than I'd like.
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