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Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by ProfessorLayton »

I think it's fantastic that highly coveted employees use their status to influence the companies they work for. As the imbalance of power between employers and employees continues to widen, It is one of the few levers we have as tech workers.

I have a list of companies that I won't consider working for due to their current or past behavior that completely go against my morals, even if it means I miss out on a few $$. I relish the fact that If the company I currently work for became something I no longer want to support, I could jump ship extremely easily compared to the typical American worker.

If the company wants to attract and keep their talent, they have to listen to them.

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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wildmusings wrote: post #68
nomocrypto wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realize that borders are totally arbitrary and that with the stroke of a pen any of these rules could be changed, right? What makes you so convinced that we are completely powerless to change this system that we’ve created? Just repeating “it’s a crime!” over and over again is absolutely no justification for how these people are treated, and I think you know that.

If you don’t believe a nation has the moral right to decide who to admit into itself, then we’re just operating from different axioms and will never agree.

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Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by zepto »

wildmusings wrote: post #56
jsemrau wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Good on these folks for stepping up. I am not American, but this is the point in time where you take a stand. Where America needs to fight for it's democracy. This is not the time to be complacent.

Defending our democracy? How about the majorities that passed the immigration laws that are being enforced? What does democracy have to do with the right to immigrate to America without permission? Edit: I’m not commenting on the propriety of the Microsoft employees’ actions. They are clearly free to urge their employer to refrain from participating in something they disagree with. That is absolutely part of what liv…

The immigration laws don’t have to be enforced in these clearly abusive ways.

A majority of Americans think that.

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Post by sanderjd »

IanDrake wrote: post #69
wildmusings wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Defending our democracy? How about the majorities that passed the immigration laws that are being enforced? What does democracy have to do with the right to immigrate to America without permission? Edit: I’m not commenting on the propriety of the Microsoft employees’ actions. They are clearly free to urge their employer to refrain from participating in something they disagree with. That is absolutely part of what liv…

We have to defend democracy by overthrowing our democratically elected government and ignoring our Constitution. What part of that is confusing?

In what way are the actions of these employees at a private company akin to overthrowing the government or ignoring the Constitution?

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by downandout »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #60
downandout wrote: post #53

Could someone help me understand the issue with this whole thing? If you show up to commit a crime with your children in tow, you are going to wind up separated from them while you go to jail for that crime. That is as true for illegal entry as it is for bank robbery. Why does the Valley feel that it's OK for immigration laws to be violated? Even very liberal countries around the world tend to be tough on illegal imm…

It’s illegal to apply for asylum?

It's illegal to enter the country without prior authorization, period. See [1]. The rise in families being separated is being driven by the Trump administration's stepped up enforcement of existing immigration law when it comes to illegal border crossings.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/06/...

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downandout wrote: post #53

Could someone help me understand the issue with this whole thing? If you show up to commit a crime with your children in tow, you are going to wind up separated from them while you go to jail for that crime. That is as true for illegal entry as it is for bank robbery. Why does the Valley feel that it's OK for immigration laws to be violated? Even very liberal countries around the world tend to be tough on illegal imm…

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Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by refurb »

kojon99 wrote: post #14

I’m not American and I’ve always found it fascinating how a part of the American population defends the existence of illegal immigrants in American soil. It’s crazy.

Agreed. Nearly every other western country has strict immigration laws that they enforce and nobody seems to mind those.

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Post by ginger123 »

krapp wrote: post #46
ginger123 wrote: post #35

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Are you ok if illegals immigrants move into your neighborhood and compete for your job? EDIT: Why am I being downvoted? I asked a legitimate question. If illegal immigrants moved into your neighborhood and affected the socioeconomic status, school ratings etc of your neighborhood, how will you react? Will you advocate for the same policies you are advocating now? I have a feeling most of the people who are supporting…

It's not the fault of illegal immigrants that American companies are willing to hire them.

You want to let people in here illegally and once they are here you want to starve them and their kids? That is crueler than any detention.

Also, it is not always corporations that are hiring people. I have a gardener who comes to my house with assistants, some people told me his assistants are undocumented. Am I supposed to racially profile people and ask for their immigration papers? Sounds racist to me.

The most humane policy is to make the expectations very clear to potential illegal immigrants. If you enter this country illegally without a legitimate asylum claim we will deport you without mercy.

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by Someone1234 »

wildmusings wrote: post #62
cycrutchfield wrote: post #55

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Applying for asylum is a crime?

Applying for asylum at a port of entry is not a crime, and none of those people are being detained or separated from their kids. But crossing into the country illegally is a crime, even if you subsequently request asylum. Edit: Someone1234, I would reply directly but I’m rate limited. The incident you’re pointing out is more nuanced than that. To combat human trafficking, we separate children from adults we suspect m…

That's inaccurate.

This person applied for asylum at a port of entry and was immediately separated from his child:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/migrant-seeking-asylum...

This article goes into detail about several other cases. Quote:

> But there is evidence that even families who seek asylum at ports of entry are being separated. One high-profile case involves a Congolese woman who sought asylum and still was separated from her 7-year-old daughter. In February, NPR's Burnett reported on the legal battle of Ms. L v. ICE.

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/19/621065383/what-we-know-family...

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