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Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by sol_remmy »

StudentStuff wrote: post #45
kyrra wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your friend already pursued legal avenues with no results, it may be worth having them reach out to news companies to see if he can get some attention (especially in-light of California starting this investigation). Bad press with case-study sort of issues is always a great way to get things fixed.

Its horrifying how Musk treats his workers, its very reminiscent of what Amazon does to most of its employees here in Seattle. Unpaid overtime for warehouse workers? Definitely, as long as the worker doesn't squawk to L&I! Work your developers 10 hours a day, then guilt trip them to coming in on Sunday? Amazon does this constantly. Tesla, SpaceX and Blue Origin seem to have the same work culture as Amazon, even Micro…

Why not cite your claims about Amazon with a news article, just show good faith

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by Spooky23 »

ebikelaw wrote: post #46
mc32 wrote: post #12

Wonder if Alabama will see the opportunity this might represent for them. High tech and high relative pay.

Alabama produces a million cars a year, in factories that are actually high-tech unlike Tesla’s. You think they are clamoring to bring in an automaker struggling to produce a handful of cars with double the industry injury rate?

Why not? Alabama isn’t exactly a worker friendly state.

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by trhway »

komali2 wrote: post #41
chalkandpaste wrote: post #16

THIS IS FANTASTIC. I’ve had a friend, a specialist engineer doing failure analysis, who has been largely incapacitated from any work because of Tesla. He sustained an injury during a high urgency project (which failed, whodathunk) which required him to work 16 hour days for a few months. During the course of this, he sustained injuries to arms and legs due to machinery issues (the machinery at Tesla often has workers…

With respect to you and your friend, I'm automatically skeptical of stories like this. We're on the internet, after all. Has your friend spoken to news agencies about this? Why not, if he/she hasn't? Surely any of the major news agencies would be watering at the mouth for a story like this.

well, i second his story. I know a guy who got serious issues with his shoulder from working at Tesla. He is low income, large family so no skills/time/resources to pursue his case (his description was along the lines of Tesla just refusing to pay)

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by rgbrenner »

StudentStuff wrote: post #51
sf_rob wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musk in an interview last week said as much (re: automation). He claims that the Model 3 line was over-automated so now they're tearing out sections for rework while doing more with the labor on hand. (Although they're about to also install new sections from their German automation subsidiary so it goes both ways).

The whole play with making their own tooling seems ill conceived at Tesla's small scale, and it has definitely set the Model 3's production back quite a bit.

This has been true across the board at Tesla... they make almost all of the parts in house, even when there are established reliable providers... even when it costs them more and results in lower quality.. even when they are already short staffed. Musk is pro-NIH syndrome.

In fairness, Musk says they will eventually be as reliable, and as high quality as others and it'll be cheaper.. one day. That's the common NIH fallacy though.

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by ceejayoz »

sol_remmy wrote: post #71
StudentStuff wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its horrifying how Musk treats his workers, its very reminiscent of what Amazon does to most of its employees here in Seattle. Unpaid overtime for warehouse workers? Definitely, as long as the worker doesn't squawk to L&I! Work your developers 10 hours a day, then guilt trip them to coming in on Sunday? Amazon does this constantly. Tesla, SpaceX and Blue Origin seem to have the same work culture as Amazon, even Micro…

Why not cite your claims about Amazon with a news article, just show good faith

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/technology/inside-amazon-...

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by ucaetano »

soheil wrote: post #43
ucaetano wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Translation: "Things in the universe happen for no greater reason at all, they just happen according to a small and simple set of laws that describe the behavior of matter-energy and space-time" vs. "There's a being, which is conscious, all-knowing and all-powerful, sitting somewhere, or actually nowhere, that uses its power to set things in motion or not, depending on its mood, and how it likes some people, but by n…

Using longer sentences and adding arbitrary words does not make an explanation more complex. I was simply pointing out that simplest explanation may not always be the most accurate.

I'll rephrase again:

"A"

vs.

"A AND there's a being, which is conscious, all-knowing and all-powerful, sitting somewhere, or actually nowhere, that uses its power to set things in motion or not, depending on its mood, and how it likes some people, but by no means follows a steady logic, and also isn't detectable by any means whatsoever and there is absolutely no evidence of its existence, but it exists and has impact on the universe, even if such impact can never be measured or even detected"

Now use Occam's Razor?

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by PerryCox »

usaphp wrote: post #62

> It was difficult to find employees to go on the record. Like a lot of tech companies in Silicon Valley, workers signed non-disclosure agreements. NDAs usually are put in place so workers don't share any trade secrets or proprietary technology. So some workers were scared to talk to us because of this NDA they sign for working at Tesla. Damn, so workers were afraid to speak up and spread the injury info because they…

NDAs are out of control everywhere. I understand they have a time and a place where they are useful, but most of the time they are being abused (ie. Stormy Daniels NDA, etc).

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by freeone3000 »

StudentStuff wrote: post #45
kyrra wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your friend already pursued legal avenues with no results, it may be worth having them reach out to news companies to see if he can get some attention (especially in-light of California starting this investigation). Bad press with case-study sort of issues is always a great way to get things fixed.

Its horrifying how Musk treats his workers, its very reminiscent of what Amazon does to most of its employees here in Seattle. Unpaid overtime for warehouse workers? Definitely, as long as the worker doesn't squawk to L&I! Work your developers 10 hours a day, then guilt trip them to coming in on Sunday? Amazon does this constantly. Tesla, SpaceX and Blue Origin seem to have the same work culture as Amazon, even Micro…

"even" Microsoft? Microsoft, home of the individual office, 8-hour workday, #7 in Fortune's Best Places to Work?

There's a lot to dislike about bigcorps, but the working environment isn't one of them.

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by StudentStuff »

sol_remmy wrote: post #71
StudentStuff wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its horrifying how Musk treats his workers, its very reminiscent of what Amazon does to most of its employees here in Seattle. Unpaid overtime for warehouse workers? Definitely, as long as the worker doesn't squawk to L&I! Work your developers 10 hours a day, then guilt trip them to coming in on Sunday? Amazon does this constantly. Tesla, SpaceX and Blue Origin seem to have the same work culture as Amazon, even Micro…

Why not cite your claims about Amazon with a news article, just show good faith

I have many friends that work there or have in the recent past, Amazon's practices wrt employee abuse are constantly reported on though.

Take a look through recent articles about Amazon: https://www.qwant.com/?q=amazon overwork employees&t=news&freshness=all

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by mschuster91 »

usaphp wrote: post #62

> It was difficult to find employees to go on the record. Like a lot of tech companies in Silicon Valley, workers signed non-disclosure agreements. NDAs usually are put in place so workers don't share any trade secrets or proprietary technology. So some workers were scared to talk to us because of this NDA they sign for working at Tesla. Damn, so workers were afraid to speak up and spread the injury info because they…

> I think somebody needs to do something about this NDA situation, it’s getting out of control in SV

Not just in SV, it's all over the world. IMHO the right of protection for whistleblowers should be made a basic human right, in order to protect people worldwide who are afraid to speak out.

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