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Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

#72
This seems to be a growing trend, mostly in journalism; Blame technology.

Just recently there was a article going around about how Google's search algorithm was at fault of keeping two sisters apart. And entire multi page write up on how our lives are at the whims of computers and algorithms. Then to be told that the one sister could not find the other because she changes her name online to protect her identity.

Now we have this. A big pile of junk trying to set the reader up to think this single line of code is responsible for the arrest of people. Again trying to instill fear of technology and computers into the reader.

I worry this type of article will sway the public's view of technology for the worst.

In the end it is people who are to blame for the problem described in this article. And it all centers around lack of understanding how these technologies work. Articled like this are just going to make that worse. Further more the entire thing is bogus because the notion that one can't have access to a given technology is entirely man made and has nothing to do with any "lines of code".

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

#73

This is the creepiest thing I've ever read. As a teen, I was absolutely sure the Internet would liberate us all never saw it being a weapon of oppression as much as it has become. :-(

That's because most people don't care about privacy before it's too late.

"The government can monitor what sites you access!" "Oh, I have nothing to hide." Then the government changes, and the thing that was considered okay before is now something that you need to hide, but you have no privacy because you didn't see why you'd need it. Now you're in jail because of a tracking pixel.

"I have nothing to hide" implies "yet". Do you think you will never have anything to hide in the future as well? Most people don't think that far ahead.

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

#74

This is the creepiest thing I've ever read. As a teen, I was absolutely sure the Internet would liberate us all never saw it being a weapon of oppression as much as it has become. :-(

I remember people saying in the 90s that soon free software and the internet would make previous systems of politics and economics irrelevant. Still waiting.

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

#75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article's tacit acknowledgment of the legitimacy of arresting people for having had the app installed at all is pretty off-colour as well.

If you hadn't pointed it out I wouldn't even have noticed. The CBC is the last place you expect to find Turkish propaganda.

Failure to do so could put CBC personnel in Turkey in danger.

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

#76
post #3

FTFY: a shitty government is putting people in jail. Even if we ignore the horrible government and bullshit reasons why they're considering installing an encrypted chat app a "crime", they should at least use proper evidence for the convictions, like a dump of the phone's memory with the chat app installed on it, and not a simple DNS lookup/HTTP request to the chat app's domain.

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Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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post #15

Thank God many of us live in countries where you are innocent until proven guilty, and not the other way around.

cough Civil Forfeiture cough.

That in a country with a written constitution guaranteeing property rights and due process, and with the legal principle of innocence until proven guilty.

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

#78

I find it very frustrating to read about such oppressive regimes. It fills me with anger, I cannot help myself, I just hate injustice.

The thing that makes my head hurt is that some of the people described in the article as having been swept up in this dragnet are still authoritarian nationalists.

How having an experience such as this can’t shake your belief that the state is infallible I really can’t comprehend.

It’s almost like Stockholm syndrome.

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

#79

Everybody hears the echos of this behavior throughout history. I wonder if Erdogan thinks he'll be the one who escapes the universal fate of tyrants. As Turkey becomes increasingly alienated from the EU, Putin looks to gain another monster.

Wish i had your optimism , but tyrants seem to be the norm throughout history.

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re probably writing this from a country that drops bombs on people without first knowing who they are or why they are there, just that they appear to be male and over a certain height in an area of terrorist activity. No courts. No oversight. No accountability. What Turkey is doing is terrible but mild in comparison to the drone war.

Very few such countries exist, and most people in them aren't native English-speakers.

I'm pretty sure that most people in the US speak English. See "signature strikes": https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/01/obama-contin...

Quoting from the article:

> So-called “signature strikes”, targeting people whose behavior is assessed to be similar enough to those of terrorists to mark them for death, will continue, according to senior US officials.

> Human-rights groups have long denounced the practice – whose criteria can be as vague as killing “military-aged males” in regions where terrorists operate – as anonymous killing.

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