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Re: Google Blocks YouTube Access from Amazon's Streaming Devices

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Post by onboardram »

niftich wrote: post #48
kinkrtyavimoodh wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I may be wrong but Google can block itself from being shown on Roku right? It seems weird to call Roku neutral when it's not them but Google calling the shots.

Google can block YouTube wherever it wishes because their YouTube clients are either: - first-party, so they make them on platforms where they wish to be present on, and conversely withdraw from platforms on which they no longer wish to be present; or, - third-party, such they are bound by the YouTube API Services Terms of Service [1], which reserves their right to terminate any client for specifically enumerated rea…

There are clients like Newpipe[1] that directly parse the Youtube website instead of using the API.

[1]: https://github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipe/

Re: Google Blocks YouTube Access from Amazon's Streaming Devices

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Post by xbmcuser »

dr1337 wrote: post #39

This should quash anyone's doubts that Google is using YouTube to strengthen their monopoly. They played the same dirty trick on Microsoft with Windows Phone and now they're doing the same with Amazon.

This is in retaliation for Amazon not selling Google hardware products on Amazon. It's Amazon that is abusing its monopoly.

Re: Google Blocks YouTube Access from Amazon's Streaming Devices

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Post by AdmiralAsshat »

ouid wrote: post #43
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #4

Know where I can still watch both Youtube and Amazon Video? On my ten year-old Playstation 3.

what about your pc?

I actually do have an HTPC hooked up to the TV, but the Youtube add-on for Kodi is flakey, and I'm not even sure if an Amazon one exists.

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Post by guelo »

wang_li wrote: post #52
guelo wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. the network refers to the transit medium. Network non-neutrality would make it worse because comcast could decide you can't watch youtube or amazon video on any device.

The network only refers to the transit medium if your premise is that the power to control content lie with one particular interest group instead of another. What's special about Twitter that they get to decide who can use their computers, routers, switches and so on, whereas level-3 is not allowed to do the same?

The physical medium is the limited public resource. We have all the public ground and all the radio spectrum we'll ever have. Tearing up roads, wiring up cities, assigning spectrum, blanketing the country in antennas, are national infrastructure projects that take decades and billions of dollars. In America with our belief in the free market we've traditionally done these projects with public/private partnership. But we can't give corporations complete free reign because they're using our one set of physical resources, if they screw those up then we lose access to our shared telecommunication infrastructure.

On top of these physical networks the digital companies are building virtual networks. Twitter, Snapchat, Medium, Google, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, and a thousand more companies vigorously competing in these virtual domains. The virtual worlds are so vast and we're still trying to understand their potential that even when these companies seem to be forming monopolistic locks we should give them free rein. You have more communication channels today then anybody else in human history. Stop calling for government control of our unlimited virtual resources.

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Post by tw04 »

cgore wrote: post #11
tw04 wrote: post #9

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It's called Nvidia Shield - Chromecast with access to Amazon.

I've got one of those, it's a piece of crap. I mostly use my Apple TV.

In what way is it a piece of crap? I've got two and they've been flawless.

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Post by kuschku »

xbmcuser wrote: post #72
dr1337 wrote: post #39

This should quash anyone's doubts that Google is using YouTube to strengthen their monopoly. They played the same dirty trick on Microsoft with Windows Phone and now they're doing the same with Amazon.

This is in retaliation for Amazon not selling Google hardware products on Amazon. It's Amazon that is abusing its monopoly.

Amazon isn’t selling the Chromecast (they’re selling all other Google hardware) because Google prevented Amazon from streaming to the Chromecast.

Which is Google abusing its monopoly.

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Post by mynameismonkey »

luma wrote: post #53
talyian wrote: post #14

If only Net Neutrality went both ways...

While I understand NN is a hot topic in these past few months, I'm having a hard time understanding the connection here. Are we suggesting that there should be some sort of mandated cross-platform compatibility requirement for all cloud video services on all devices? Meaning, do we really want to require that Google provides access to all YouTube content on everyone's device? What if I post a video on my own homepage…

> Meaning, do we really want to require that Google provides access to all YouTube content on everyone's device? What if I post a video on my own homepage, am I then required to make it available on all devices?

No, I think the point is once you've uploaded the video, please don't single out a particular device and actively prohibit access. Web is Web. Let the Web clients make Web calls to Web content. (I'm referring to them actively blocking the workaround which was to access the regular Web version.)

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Post by Terr_ »

talyian wrote: post #70
Terr_ wrote: post #61

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Except it doesn't, by definition. It's " Network neutrality", not "absolutely anything anybody thinks of when they say 'The Net' neutrality." Similarly, "Road Neutrality" only applies to actual roads. It doesn't mean the local McDonald's has to let anybody could use their drive-thru for any reason, or that you're allowed to park in your neighbor's driveway, or that you can freely wander around a NASCAR track.

Fair enough. In this case, "Road Neutrality" protects the consumer's access to a restaurant or bank. However, in reality there are civil rights laws that in turn forbid those restaurants and banks from refusing service to customers based on their ethnicity and gender. I don't think it's a stretch, if we're comparing Networks to roads, to also compare network services like Google and Youtube to public accomodations li…

Right, there are expectations that We The People have created, and -- for better or for worse -- some of them were codified and given legal force.

It just doesn't all nicely fit under one "be cool to each other" umbrella.

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Post by nwah1 »

WorldMaker wrote: post #66
nwah1 wrote: post #59

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Best way to prevent this kind of content hoarding is to support neutral platforms.

How does that actually prevent anything? Using Roku/Kodi to consume YouTube doesn't stop YouTube from content hoarding, and YouTube from having all the power in the relationship. You using a Roku doesn't have any bearing if a content creator is releasing to YouTube. Yes, it would be great if there was a more neutral video sharing platform than YouTube, but it's not "you the consumer" that gets the power to choose tha…

It helps by lowering the cost of acquiring new sources of content. The suggestion of buying both a fire stick and a chromecast is expensive and cumbersome. Downloading an app on Kodi or Roku is free and easy.

And Kodi, in particular, being open source isn't an acquisition target.

The point is to prevent being locked in, and shut out of good content from independent sources.

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Post by xbmcuser »

kuschku wrote: post #76
xbmcuser wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is in retaliation for Amazon not selling Google hardware products on Amazon. It's Amazon that is abusing its monopoly.

Amazon isn’t selling the Chromecast (they’re selling all other Google hardware) because Google prevented Amazon from streaming to the Chromecast. Which is Google abusing its monopoly.

Ah no Amazon stopped selling google nest devices as well. And no google has not stopped Amazon from streaming to chrome-cast it is Amazon that is not implementing it apps for streaming to chromecast. If you can stream with vlc to chromecast I dont see how google is stopping Amazon
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