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U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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Re: U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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Post by sumedh »

madiathomas wrote: post #35
DenisM wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's with the downvotes? The question is asked in good faith and it produced an interesting discussion. Would y'all prefer for the author to remain silent with his thoughts, and for the opposing arguments to remain untold?

If I had enough clout to downvote, I was going to do so. I was going to do so because the comment is totally ignorant. I don't know who is feeding people around the world this misinformation that African people are all dying of hunger and waiting for food aid.

To remove ignorance you need to have a discussion.

> I don't know who is feeding people around the world this misinformation that African people are all dying of hunger and waiting for food aid.

I guess the "Donate money" for African kids with a pictures/videos of malnourished kids in the background.

Re: U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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Post by srean »

lukas099 wrote: post #46
madiathomas wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I had enough clout to downvote, I was going to do so. I was going to do so because the comment is totally ignorant. I don't know who is feeding people around the world this misinformation that African people are all dying of hunger and waiting for food aid.

I don't know who is either, but how is ignorance going to be fixed if we punish people who ask questions?

You are right about questions asked in good faith. Media has gotten us used to assertions and allegations made from behind a question: Is Obama and American citizen ? Is your mother a whore ? etc etc

Re: U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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Post by madiathomas »

sumedh wrote: post #71
madiathomas wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I had enough clout to downvote, I was going to do so. I was going to do so because the comment is totally ignorant. I don't know who is feeding people around the world this misinformation that African people are all dying of hunger and waiting for food aid.

To remove ignorance you need to have a discussion. > I don't know who is feeding people around the world this misinformation that African people are all dying of hunger and waiting for food aid. I guess the "Donate money" for African kids with a pictures/videos of malnourished kids in the background.

They are probably the ones responsible. If those charity organisations can change the message to stop sponsoring wars in Africa, there won't be a need to donate to African kids in less than 5 years. Then again they won't have a job because majority of that money ends up in their pockets.

Re: U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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Post by madiathomas »

eru wrote: post #65
madiathomas wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because West is stealing gazillion times more from Africa in return. When you refuse, war and/or sanctions follow to cripple your country. Then they can loot in peace. You seriously think USA is just helping out of their good hearts?

Alas, if only it was even a zero-sum game were eg Africa only loses what the USA steals from them. The reality is far bleaker---but also more hopeful: rich countries don't benefit from (causing) bad conditions in poor countries, at least nearly not as much as the bad conditions cost the poor countries.

Instability is profitable to rich countries. That's a well-known fact. Those bad conditions were artificially craeted by colonisers. Colonisers who still refuse to exit Africa because the only way they know how to make money is through exploiting African countries.

'The best time to buy is when there is blood on the streets' - Baron Rothschild.

Re: U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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Post by NiklasMort »

eru wrote: post #67
NiklasMort wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obviously logic is not part of your thought process. If we continue to populate the earth, which has limited local resources with more and more people nobody is helped! Fuck the rain forest? Really? The Rain forest is more worth than a few billion people. People are not worth anything. Everybody is replaceable, there are nearly 8 billion of us. Stop being so arrogant and anthropocentric. @Thread: 2 million saved are…

Please take family planning into account: empirically parents aim for a specific number of offspring. Infant mortality does not usually change that target much, but it changes how many pregnancies are needed to reach it. Thus: two million children saved, is two million pregnancies less. (To a first order approximation. As people get richer, all kinds of things change over time.) You are right in some sense: people ar…

Trust me I am not a hardhearted bastard but from what I have seen in the world, despite being absolute subjective ,I can tell you that the biggest problem with population is caused by religion and old beliefs. And this ain't specific to third world countries, there are enough big families (4+ kids) from certain ethnic groups in Europe/US.

Your pregnancy point is wrong though, so you say you save resources due to not having them start another pregnancy? Well the kid uses resources too and it does that at a increasing rate throughout the years. Once that kid has its own kids....you get the idea.

Unfortunately there never will be a global population control so all is left is this: upon a certain number we'll have a massive humanitarian catastrophe, most likely ending in the death of hundreds of millions due to starvation or wars. Not only will the environment suffer heavily, but once again humanity takes a step backwards towards becoming brutes again.

Re: U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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Post by pseudonom- »

jonathanjaeger wrote: post #39

I don't know if this is a hard/cold way of looking at things, but I want a bang for my back in donating to charity. I've (almost) exclusively give to malaria foundations. Even if you don't want to give, set your Amazon to smile.amazon and it will donate a very small portion of your purchases to the charity of your choice. It may add up to $50-$100 in money given on your behalf over time.

https://www.effectivealtruism.org/ is substantially about bang for your buck.

Re: U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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Post by Fezzik »

madiathomas wrote: post #29
lucb1e wrote: post #10

Now the devil's question: how are we going to feed all the people that survive because of this? Really, don't get me wrong, it's fantastic that lives are being saved. The amount of grief being spared by this, by not losing a child for so many families, is unimaginable. I am just wondering if we are not creating an even bigger problem by solving this problem before the other.

Not sure if it is ignorance that is making you to utter such words about Africa. Do you seriously think all African people are dying of hunger and waiting for food aid from your governments? Have you ever been to any African country? Majority of countries with food and hunger problems are those who are at war. Rest of us, citizens pf this wonderful and arable continent, can feed ourselves and don't need any food aid.…

All of Africa is not starving, sure, but hopefully you can understand how people can reasonably believe that there are issues with food supplies in much of Africa[1][2], and that a large number of people are suffering as a consequence. It is a tagline that has been thrown about in the Western world for decades and can be remedied with counterpoints - I was frankly having trouble finding any good stats re food supply in Africa.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/27/world/africa/famine-somal...

[2] http://mgafrica.com/article/2016-02-12-africa-food-crisis-20...

Re: U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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Post by tptacek »

lucb1e wrote: post #10

Now the devil's question: how are we going to feed all the people that survive because of this? Really, don't get me wrong, it's fantastic that lives are being saved. The amount of grief being spared by this, by not losing a child for so many families, is unimaginable. I am just wondering if we are not creating an even bigger problem by solving this problem before the other.

I don't think you can possibly mean what the black-letter words of your comment say, which is that people should be allowed to die of treatable diseases until such time as the West is convinced of the stability of their food supply.

Re: U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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Post by tptacek »

DenisM wrote: post #28
lucb1e wrote: post #10

Now the devil's question: how are we going to feed all the people that survive because of this? Really, don't get me wrong, it's fantastic that lives are being saved. The amount of grief being spared by this, by not losing a child for so many families, is unimaginable. I am just wondering if we are not creating an even bigger problem by solving this problem before the other.

What's with the downvotes? The question is asked in good faith and it produced an interesting discussion. Would y'all prefer for the author to remain silent with his thoughts, and for the opposing arguments to remain untold?

It was an extremely poorly-worded question that produced a nightmare of a thread.
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