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Uber president Jeff Jones is quitting

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Re: Uber president Jeff Jones is quitting

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Post by Anderkent »

ivraatiems wrote: post #52
Anderkent wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many items on that list aren't actually bad things, they're just described using language with negative connotations. For example >Uber breaks laws all around the world to enrich itself, including allegedly trying to deceive government officials across the world.[4] Detecting malicious users and protecting drivers by shadowbanning malicious users is neither illegal nor wrong. Uber has no legal nor moral obligation to…

> Stupid jurisdiction should not be complied with above direct legal necessity. Uber is breaking the law in these jurisdictions. That's what the court orders are for. Are you suggesting that it's okay to adopt a policy of "we'll break the law until we get caught" on the basis of not liking the law?

> Are you suggesting that it's okay to adopt a policy of "we'll break the law until we get caught"

Yep, that's called civil disobedience. As long as they pay the fines, I don't think it's wrong to break a bad law.

Re: Uber president Jeff Jones is quitting

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Post by Anderkent »

smacktoward wrote: post #70
Anderkent wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many items on that list aren't actually bad things, they're just described using language with negative connotations. For example >Uber breaks laws all around the world to enrich itself, including allegedly trying to deceive government officials across the world.[4] Detecting malicious users and protecting drivers by shadowbanning malicious users is neither illegal nor wrong. Uber has no legal nor moral obligation to…

> Uber has no legal nor moral obligation to help the governments entrap its drivers, or perform sting operations. Uber does, however, have obligations to obey the law. Part of which would include not using technology to hide law-breaking actions from local law enforcement.

> Part of which would include not using technology to hide law-breaking actions from local law enforcement.

I very much doubt there's a legal clause specifying that uber has to provide service to undercover agents. If there was, I expect uber's legal department would not allow that program to go through.

Re: Uber president Jeff Jones is quitting

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Post by hwillis »

daenney wrote: post #41
nananonymous wrote: post #7

Meta: how can you write an article about Uber's president leaving and leave out the massive lawsuit from Google's parent company?

Because they're unrelated? Mixing in the Waymo suit does nothing to clarify the situation around Jones. Sure it's juicy, but it's a different story.

It's at least as related as the sexism controversy, which is mentioned. The title and subtitle both blame Uber's current turmoil and controversy, and the Alphabet suit may easily become the biggest issue. If the CEO conspired to steal tech from Waymo then the entire management structure at Uber is going to be in serious, serious trouble with its board and with the law.

Re: Uber president Jeff Jones is quitting

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Post by xyzzy4 »

israrkhan wrote: post #24

Given that he quit just in six months, probably he did not even wait for his RSU grants to mature (1 year cliff for stock grants). The situation might be much worse that what appears.

Or maybe he thinks his current mansions, sports cars, and retirement funds are good enough?

Re: Uber president Jeff Jones is quitting

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Post by tomcam »

nomnombunty wrote: post #56
Fricken wrote: post #18

I think Uber's biggest problem is the broken relationships it has with so many of it's drivers. Their abuse of their labour force is the reason unions exist.

It is a broken relationship that would be hard to fix. Uber doesn't even try to hide its intention to get rid of the drivers once it has its self driving cars fully deployed

At current burn rate they won't survive long enough for that to happen.

Re: Uber president Jeff Jones is quitting

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Post by loudin »

Serious question - why hasn't the Uber board replaced Kalanick yet? While it is indisputable he successfully brought Uber to where it is now, it doesn't seem like he has the good judgement to be leading Uber at this stage of the company's lifecycle. Wouldn't the best thing for the company at this point be a complete overhaul of leadership?

Re: Uber president Jeff Jones is quitting

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Post by matt4077 »

Anderkent wrote: post #39
ivraatiems wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, this is not just or mainly what's happening here. Every time an anti-Uber article comes up, someone pops in and says something to the effect of your comment, but it simply isn't true. Uber is evil. They do evil things. They should not be supported. Yes, people like to see the titans fall, but people also like to see those who behave poorly get what they deserve for that behavior. That's what's happening here.…

Many items on that list aren't actually bad things, they're just described using language with negative connotations. For example >Uber breaks laws all around the world to enrich itself, including allegedly trying to deceive government officials across the world.[4] Detecting malicious users and protecting drivers by shadowbanning malicious users is neither illegal nor wrong. Uber has no legal nor moral obligation to…

> Stupid jurisdiction should not be complied with above direct legal necessity

Kalanick or you don't get to decide which laws are stupid and should therefore be broken. There's an established process for that. And on the empirical level, it's not enough to show that customers and drivers are choosing to do business with Uber. If that were the standard, not single law protecting workers, customers, or third parties would be necessary.

Also, 'jurisdiction' means something different than you think,

Re: Uber president Jeff Jones is quitting

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Post by trevyn »

israrkhan wrote: post #24

Given that he quit just in six months, probably he did not even wait for his RSU grants to mature (1 year cliff for stock grants). The situation might be much worse that what appears.

Leadership compensation does not work in the same way as rank and file compensation.

Re: Uber president Jeff Jones is quitting

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Post by ivraatiems »

Anderkent wrote: post #71
ivraatiems wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Stupid jurisdiction should not be complied with above direct legal necessity. Uber is breaking the law in these jurisdictions. That's what the court orders are for. Are you suggesting that it's okay to adopt a policy of "we'll break the law until we get caught" on the basis of not liking the law?

> Are you suggesting that it's okay to adopt a policy of "we'll break the law until we get caught" Yep, that's called civil disobedience. As long as they pay the fines, I don't think it's wrong to break a bad law.

Do you believe, then, that Uber breaks these laws as a form of protest, rather than because they want to maximie profit and eating the fines won't hurt their bottom line? What evidence do you have to support that belief, if so?
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