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If you used to pay $50k for low-end tech jobs, you can probably find someone in the US to do it for $70k. The H1B is meant to fill skill gaps, NOT save money on those skills. If a company can't operate by paying market rates, that's a business model problem.
So that change in business model will likely mean more outsourcing of jobs. The fundamental goal of any company is to save money.
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This is a bill introduced by a California Democrat, fwiw. I suspect most Republicans want nothing to do with it, so it will never see the light of day.
This is a planned executive order, where are you getting this is a bill introduced by a California Democrat?
130k is indeed too high. To fight the most egregious abusers 100k would have been enough. Not everybody works in Silicon Valley IT, and even there the indian bodyshops offered only Many other industries rely on foreign talent, and many cannot pay 130k, but 100k would be fine IMHO.
They can hire local talent then. All the American brogrammers that are about to face real competition now will be most likely willing to take those 100K after they lose the jobs they got thank's to "cultural fit".
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This is a bill introduced by a California Democrat, fwiw. I suspect most Republicans want nothing to do with it, so it will never see the light of day.
This is a planned executive order, where are you getting this is a bill introduced by a California Democrat?
The bills were or will be introduced by the following (from [1]):
1) Republican from Iowa, Democrat from Illinois
2) Republican from California
3) Democrat from California
I believe the parent may have cherry-picked, but is not completely incorrect.
[1] http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/21/technology/h1b-reform-bill-g...
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This is a bill introduced by a California Democrat, fwiw. I suspect most Republicans want nothing to do with it, so it will never see the light of day.
This is a planned executive order, where are you getting this is a bill introduced by a California Democrat?
I doubt Trump can use executive order to change the H1B system like he did for his immigration order. If he does, he can expect a constitutional crisis soon.
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Honestly, I don't think it's too high at all. If you view the H1B the way it was sold to the US public - as a visa to get very high talent people who can't be found in adequate numbers among the existing US workforce - 130k honestly sounds low to me. Keep in mind, a family of 4 in San Francisco that earns 130k a year (family income) qualifies for direct housing subsidies. Many of these visas will be allocated to SF/v…
But that's the most important issue here I think. This might be appropriate, at the most, for SFO and possibly NYC. But what about the rest of the country where the cost of living is much lower? I (an Indian H1B holder) worked in WI, where I made 73K as a fresher and was able to have a nice apartment and a good life in general and save half of my salary. I think, while the current 60K minimum pay may be too low, 130K…
In short, why should someone in Wisconsin get to pay only 100k when someone in NY or SF would pay $130k, or $200k? In fact, why should an employer get to hire anyone at all, even at "market rate"? Normally, we let labor markets work freely - if you can't hire a lawyer or financial analyst to work for 100k, we don't normally say there's a shortage, we say the employer needs o increase salary and work conditions to compete properly for skilled and educated workers who have the freedom to choose where they will work. We don't say, normally "oh, ok, we'll allow you to determine the circumstances under which someone is allowed to come to the US, which you can use to get them to accept less money than they'd earn if they were free to choose a different profession or employer." That goes for most immigrants to the US as well, who arrive with the right to freely choose their profession in response to personal interests and market signals.
I'm not strictly opposed to these visas, but to me, this needs to be a slam dunk case. It should be very obvious that this is a highly skilled worker. 73k, even in a low cost place, doesn't come close to this threshold. At 73k, I think employers can go ahead and compete for the people who are free to choose their employment and career (including, of course the 1.2 million immigrants who come here every year as free and full members of the work force).
If you can't convince people to write code for you for 73k a year, I'd say it's pretty clear you need to increase the salary. You aren't anywhere close to "critical employee in severe shortage" pay and work conditions. People smart enough to write complicated code have all kinds of options to earn more than 73k a year, provided they are free to do so.
It's about time. Say what you will about Trump's other policies, but it's high time someone took an ax to the H-1B program. The level of abuse I've witnessed from it over the years is heinous; foreign workers essentially working as indentured servants, with the only beneficiaries being corporations using their cheap labor and the foreign consultancy firms that farm them out. I'll be interested to see what changes get…
this culture of abusing your workers spills out into the US workforce as well. i've known people (us citizens) who have had to send lawyer letters to get their invoices paid by these consultancy firms, who aren't used to getting pushback from their servants. sometimes in the tens of thousands of dollars for high end work. of course the bad behavior stops immediately when they get a nice little letter with an american…
Unintended consequences caused by government regulation.
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Not sure exactly about loss of jobs, but I do remember this Oracle story making the rounds: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-01-10/ex-oracle...
Thanks, but I think that classifies under discriminatory practice. Not exactly an immigration issue.
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130K in Kansas City >> 130K in SF. Hope they take geography into consideration.
Why? This is great for programmers in areas like KC.
130k is indeed too high. To fight the most egregious abusers 100k would have been enough. Not everybody works in Silicon Valley IT, and even there the indian bodyshops offered only Many other industries rely on foreign talent, and many cannot pay 130k, but 100k would be fine IMHO.