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India's tech industry panics over U.S. plans to change high-skilled visas

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Re: India's tech industry panics over U.S. plans to change high-skilled visas

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130k is indeed too high. To fight the most egregious abusers 100k would have been enough. Not everybody works in Silicon Valley IT, and even there the indian bodyshops offered only Many other industries rely on foreign talent, and many cannot pay 130k, but 100k would be fine IMHO.

Honestly, I don't think it's too high at all. If you view the H1B the way it was sold to the US public - as a visa to get very high talent people who can't be found in adequate numbers among the existing US workforce - 130k honestly sounds low to me.

Keep in mind, a family of 4 in San Francisco that earns 130k a year (family income) qualifies for direct housing subsidies. Many of these visas will be allocated to SF/valley based companies.

Yeah, most middle class families are two income now, but keep in mind, we're talking about a worker that is supposedly so valuable and in such critical shortage that we need to do an end run around the normal immigration system and empower employers to directly hire someone from overseas. We're talking about someone who can't be found among the 300 million existing US citizens or the 1.2 million new immigrants who come here annually outside of work visa programs.

Seriously, you can't afford to pay that worker $130k a year, in the most expensive city in the United States? Sounds like this position isn't quite as critical, or as hard to fill, as you're claiming.

Re: India's tech industry panics over U.S. plans to change high-skilled visas

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This is actually a good step. Eliminate cost arbitrage as motive for hiring foreign workers. Hire to fill genuine gaps in the labor pool. I don't see any downside and I'm an Indian in the US.

I have 2 years exp in medium sized product company (which has global market) in India. I have developed iOS apps, react app, web app in django (basically full stack). have experience in python, java, javascript and swift. I applied for few good colleges (UCSD, UT Austin, Carnige Mellon, GATech, Arizona state) to specialize in Machine Learning in US. Should I change my plans (I have to spend anywhere from 40-90 lakh R…

ex-H1B here, You have good skills, once you graduate, you will have to depend on your luck to get into the H1B system currently.

Why don't you get MS from good universities in Canada and enter the express entry immigration system which values your skills unlike H1B system which depends on luck ?

Re: India's tech industry panics over U.S. plans to change high-skilled visas

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I actually think this will result in accelerating India's growth in the tech sector. There might be slight downturn in the shorter term for the services sector but this will be compensated by the product companies.

Once the above happens, I actually think it will have a net negative effect for the US tech sector. Yes you can still find the best engineers to come to the US, however once salaries start rising in the developing countries, people will not want to flock to the US.

A clear example is the aviation sector. Pilots from the developed countries flock to fly for the airlines in the Middle east and Asia. Look at Emirates, Etihad, Air Asia etc. Many of them are expat pilots.

Re: India's tech industry panics over U.S. plans to change high-skilled visas

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Trying to play a devil's advocate, I might be downvoted here right away. Disclosure: I am not going to be affected by this, but I do work in tech industry.

1. With the decline of low-wage tech workers, where do you think the mundane/non-value added work they do will go? Not everything will/can be outsourced, and you don't want to your USD 130K employee to do that. There is a real scarcity of tech skilled workers in the US. This may be filled gradually in the future, but in the short-term, there will be some consequences.

2. This will affect small companies, non-SF/NYC/Seattle area start-ups, and companies, non-tech companies. Not everyone can pay this salary. These businesses are not going out of their way to pay for H1Bs.

I may be wrong, and that's why I have a genuine question. Is there a credible research about the loss of jobs due to H1B and it is not just an availability heuristic? I agree that outsourcing causes loss of local jobs, but that is not what this is trying to solve.

Re: India's tech industry panics over U.S. plans to change high-skilled visas

#35
post #23

130k is indeed too high. To fight the most egregious abusers 100k would have been enough. Not everybody works in Silicon Valley IT, and even there the indian bodyshops offered only Many other industries rely on foreign talent, and many cannot pay 130k, but 100k would be fine IMHO.

130K in Kansas City >> 130K in SF. Hope they take geography into consideration.

Re: India's tech industry panics over U.S. plans to change high-skilled visas

#36

This is actually a good step. Eliminate cost arbitrage as motive for hiring foreign workers. Hire to fill genuine gaps in the labor pool. I don't see any downside and I'm an Indian in the US.

I have 2 years exp in medium sized product company (which has global market) in India. I have developed iOS apps, react app, web app in django (basically full stack). have experience in python, java, javascript and swift. I applied for few good colleges (UCSD, UT Austin, Carnige Mellon, GATech, Arizona state) to specialize in Machine Learning in US. Should I change my plans (I have to spend anywhere from 40-90 lakh R…

$130k is a bit low for only 2 years of experience, but go deep in an area and you could get there. I think doubling down on React would be your best bet; the key is depth not breadth. (knowing Swift at a React job not really valuable; knowing Docker or hard-core backend - more than just building CRUD apps with Django - complements your React skills)

Re: India's tech industry panics over U.S. plans to change high-skilled visas

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Trying to play a devil's advocate, I might be downvoted here right away. Disclosure: I am not going to be affected by this, but I do work in tech industry. 1. With the decline of low-wage tech workers, where do you think the mundane/non-value added work they do will go? Not everything will/can be outsourced, and you don't want to your USD 130K employee to do that. There is a real scarcity of tech skilled workers in t…

Not sure exactly about loss of jobs, but I do remember this Oracle story making the rounds: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-01-10/ex-oracle...

Re: India's tech industry panics over U.S. plans to change high-skilled visas

#38
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Heh. Depends on which part of India you're referring to. The younger me would have found it more difficult to get foreign assignments that form the foundation for a lot of the house buying and marriage making here, but I think the slightly more experienced folks like present me welcome the change - that is the low end of the salary range I'd expect if I was going to jump countries with a family, and now I don't have…

These Indian body shops are the bane of my existence but I know a bunch of H1B holders that were FTEs and I would be horrified to lose them. I don't know what they get paid, but I know it's below the rate for non-Visa holders. If you're an architect in NYC (which a bunch of them are) they probably top the $130K margin, but a bunch definitely won't.

Re: India's tech industry panics over U.S. plans to change high-skilled visas

#39

I actually think this will result in accelerating India's growth in the tech sector. There might be slight downturn in the shorter term for the services sector but this will be compensated by the product companies. Once the above happens, I actually think it will have a net negative effect for the US tech sector. Yes you can still find the best engineers to come to the US, however once salaries start rising in the de…

This is because of the seniority system put in place by the unions. They pilots fly over seas as there are not a lot of jobs at major airlines flying the big planes domestically.

Re: India's tech industry panics over U.S. plans to change high-skilled visas

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Trying to play a devil's advocate, I might be downvoted here right away. Disclosure: I am not going to be affected by this, but I do work in tech industry. 1. With the decline of low-wage tech workers, where do you think the mundane/non-value added work they do will go? Not everything will/can be outsourced, and you don't want to your USD 130K employee to do that. There is a real scarcity of tech skilled workers in t…

Not sure exactly about loss of jobs, but I do remember this Oracle story making the rounds: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-01-10/ex-oracle...

Thanks, but I think that classifies under discriminatory practice. Not exactly an immigration issue.
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