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DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

#71
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's not that interesting. Context obviously matters, and I am baffled that so many people are pretending not to understand that.

What the hell is this context that you speak of? Defending the country's borders? Defending native industry? Preventing immigration from groups statistically likely to commit terrorist acts?

Literally not a single terrorist attack has been committed on US soil by individuals from the affected countries in the last 42 years.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

#72
post #22

This is not hyperbole: if this statement is accurate, a coup d'etat is in progress in which our illegitimate "President" is overriding the authority of the judicial branch and it is time for every American who still believes in our constitution and our fundamental values of equality, diversity and multiculturalism take a stand and along with every congressman, every law enforcement officer, reporter, corporation, etc…

Trump is an asshole however he is our legitimate president no mater how much some of us do not like it. He won the election as the rules require. Period. Let's not forget that. The office should be respected no matter what asswipe he is in it. If you disagree with his policies then call your congressman, et. al. Protest by all means. That is your right as an American. He was elected because a large majority of people…

100% agreed. Trump was elected fair and square, citizens still have recourse through official channels, and the American experiment will continue. I don't agree with most of his policies but these are facts.

To some extent it appears that the American public enjoys working itself into a hysteric frenzy. One might almost view it as political virtue signalling on a national scale.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

#73
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, I will point out that the article linked to here says they will ALSO continue to comply with all judicial orders. Read carefully. Really, the entire statement isn't that exciting, it just says "Agency will continue to follow legal structure of government as all agencies do." Mostly it's just an attempt to reassure people that things aren't as out of hand as they seem.

The point of the article is clearly to show they're not complying with the court order.

> Stephen Miller, a senior adviser to the White House, said: "Nothing in the Brooklyn judge's order in anyway impedes or prevents the implementation of the president's executive order which remains in full, complete and total effect."

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Following-Detainment-Re...

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

#74
post #22

This is not hyperbole: if this statement is accurate, a coup d'etat is in progress in which our illegitimate "President" is overriding the authority of the judicial branch and it is time for every American who still believes in our constitution and our fundamental values of equality, diversity and multiculturalism take a stand and along with every congressman, every law enforcement officer, reporter, corporation, etc…

That did, in fact, include hyperbole. You are excited and over estimating the danger, and misstating facts such as his legitimacy. Those kind of things will cloud the discussion and prevent support from the kind of groups you need to defeat him. The smart move would be to collect information and watch him fail, then move for impeachment. Then start dealing with Pence.....

It is not absolutely not hyperbole. And, based on your username, I will venture a guess that you are privileged white male who is fortunate enough to not (for now) be among Drumpf's scapegoats.

I challenge you to speak to some of the thousands of Muslims, refugees, undocumented migrants and others whose very existence is threatened by this fascist "President" and see if they think I'm engaging in hyperbole.

Do. Not. Minimize. The. Danger. We. Are. All. In. Just. Because. You. Are. A. Privileged. White. Person.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

#76
> No foreign national in a foreign land, without ties to the United States, has any unfettered right to demand entry into the United States

Well, Commonwealth citizens have a head of state who:

> Requests and requires ... all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance, and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary.

:) - I'm sort of joking of course, nothing wrong with the DHS quote, it's just unfortunate (to put it lightly) for those who have been there and are suddenly... well, fettered.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

#77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump is an asshole however he is our legitimate president no mater how much some of us do not like it. He won the election as the rules require. Period. Let's not forget that. The office should be respected no matter what asswipe he is in it. If you disagree with his policies then call your congressman, et. al. Protest by all means. That is your right as an American. He was elected because a large majority of people…

Disregarding the system of checks and balances means he's not acting within the system of government. This is a constitutional crisis.

As I understand it, your parent is (if verbosely) pointing out the use of the phrase our illegitimate "President", and points out that we can and should be protesting. These points aren't in contradiction of yours. Indeed, depending on the outcome of everything surrounding this Executive Order, your point as well as those of your parent may all well be true.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

#78
post #22

This is not hyperbole: if this statement is accurate, a coup d'etat is in progress in which our illegitimate "President" is overriding the authority of the judicial branch and it is time for every American who still believes in our constitution and our fundamental values of equality, diversity and multiculturalism take a stand and along with every congressman, every law enforcement officer, reporter, corporation, etc…

> put aside petty partisan bickering and remove this fascist con-man from office immediately.

All I see is the fascist partisan bickering in your post. Trump has legitimately won the election and is doing what his powers let him do. He was clear about Muslim ban before election too and people voted for him.

I think we can make better arguments as to why his moronic executive orders hurt USA in a major way and perhaps work to gather political support to reduce the damage but getting angry and abusive does not help.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

#79
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, I will point out that the article linked to here says they will ALSO continue to comply with all judicial orders. Read carefully. Really, the entire statement isn't that exciting, it just says "Agency will continue to follow legal structure of government as all agencies do." Mostly it's just an attempt to reassure people that things aren't as out of hand as they seem.

The point of the article is clearly to show they're not complying with the court order.

There is no final court order yet, there is a temporary stay and this order merely prohibits deportation, not the detention or turning away of immigrants coming in. This order is just one small step in what is going to be a long hard case.

It'll probably end up going to the Supreme court, the Supreme court has two Obama appointees and with justice Scalia passed away there is a chance it could go in the ACLU's favor. . . but established constitutional law is clear, the Supreme court has ruled time and time again that America can turn away anyone at the boarder and non-citizens do not have a right to stay in America . . . so defeating this executive order at the Supreme court level will require some doing, which might happen because of the current composition of the court has judges that are willing to veer away from established precedent.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

#80
post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A federal judge issued an injunction against enforcement of part of the executive order. In a release titled "Response To Recent Litigation," DHS announced that it would continue to enforce the order. That sounds for all the world like the executive branch rejecting the authority of the judicial branch.

IANAL but the injunction was narrow in scope. Nothing in the DHS response contradicts that.

The very first line implies that the injunction will be ignored. If they didn't want that interpreted that way, then they should have definitely written it differently.
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