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Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by rospaya »

mbesto wrote: post #69
StavrosK wrote: post #4

This made me realize how little innovation there is in the browser space today. Opera used to innovate extensively before the sale, and it looks like at least they're trying to keep doing it. I'm also hopeful for Vivaldi. Chrome and Firefox are completely stagnant, unfortunately.

I don't need my browser to "innovate". It just needs to continue doing it what it does best - consistently render a presentation layer. All of the innovation should be under the hood (which it appears Chrome/Firefox have been doing)

So you don't use bookmarks or tabs?

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by makecheck »

dgrealy wrote: post #46
dtnewman wrote: post #24

I am generally pretty hesitant to change browsers, but I actually really like the feel of this. It's super clean and the keyboard shortcuts are the same as what I'm used to so it seems like it should be an easy switch. Definitely something worth looking at. I'll probably try this out over the next few weeks. My only gripe so far is that when I click command+w, I want it to default to closing the window when I am on t…

One thing that bites me occasionally with the current browsers is when I'm closing a lot of tabs with cmd-w but go too far and accidentally close the last one and loose the window. Windows close with cmd shift w so this behavior makes sense to me. I like your attention to those shortcuts though I think we have similar standards:)

In a few apps on the Mac I have made good use of the Keyboard Shortcuts part of System Preferences to prevent this.

If destructive behavior is a bit too "easy" in an app, I remap the command to something complex. I think my Quit in Firefox for instance is now command-shift-control-Q or something.

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by domenukk »

rospaya wrote: post #71
mbesto wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't need my browser to "innovate". It just needs to continue doing it what it does best - consistently render a presentation layer. All of the innovation should be under the hood (which it appears Chrome/Firefox have been doing)

So you don't use bookmarks or tabs?

Why do you need bookmarks, either you google it again or can access it through some kind of chat... Tabs are nice though

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by zzzcpan »

pvg wrote: post #64
zzzcpan wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how little innovation there is in the browser space today That was the purpose of Chrome, I believe, to monopolize the browser market and make it very expensive for others to compete and innovate google's business model out of existence.

What does that even mean? They're sparing a potential competitor the entire R&D cost of a modern, cross-platform browser. I don't think Google developed Chrome out of sheer altruism but it's probably cheaper now to compete in the browser space than ever. It's unlikely to be profitable, though, in itself.

On what can you compete with Chrome using their own engine?

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by ek750 »

dgrealy wrote: post #46
dtnewman wrote: post #24

I am generally pretty hesitant to change browsers, but I actually really like the feel of this. It's super clean and the keyboard shortcuts are the same as what I'm used to so it seems like it should be an easy switch. Definitely something worth looking at. I'll probably try this out over the next few weeks. My only gripe so far is that when I click command+w, I want it to default to closing the window when I am on t…

One thing that bites me occasionally with the current browsers is when I'm closing a lot of tabs with cmd-w but go too far and accidentally close the last one and loose the window. Windows close with cmd shift w so this behavior makes sense to me. I like your attention to those shortcuts though I think we have similar standards:)

The three browsers I use have command shortcuts that undo the accidental window closures.

Though I have to wonder how much resources are taken by the undo feature.

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by StavrosK »

mathw wrote: post #63
zzzcpan wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing would happen, as long as they have UX professional on the team, who won't let them do stupid things like removing a backspace keyboard shortcut and not leaving options for those who got used to them.

It's a real shame they didn't have a UX professional on the team to tell them not to include backspace as a shortcut for back in the first place. Although I believe that was Microsoft's fault, but Google shouldn't have copied it. I've lost more data to that than any web browser bug over the years. Fortunately Chrome had an extension that let me turn it off!

> I've lost more data to that than any web browser bug over the years.

Is the back that backspace goes back, or that the browser doesn't store text you've typed in a textarea?

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by colordrops »

StavrosK wrote: post #4

This made me realize how little innovation there is in the browser space today. Opera used to innovate extensively before the sale, and it looks like at least they're trying to keep doing it. I'm also hopeful for Vivaldi. Chrome and Firefox are completely stagnant, unfortunately.

There's very little _user interface_ innovation in the major browsers today.

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by Nagyman »

the_duke wrote: post #3

Wow. You can open websites with icons. And you can take screenshots. Pretty amazing. (There might be more to Neon, of course, but if there is, the video is horrible in showing it off).

Why start with snarky sarcasm if you admit there might be more to it than the video? There's also a bunch of copy on the page if you scroll past the video.

* The tabs are represented by little screenshots; nice for navigating. Yet to determine how this scales with MANY tabs (I see, it scrolls vertically... hrm)

* The split screen is pretty cool; many times I need to work between two tabs and alternating between them in Chrome is generally a pain

* Videos can be played outside of the tab; cool if you want to continue browsing while having a video visible (think tutorial while visiting documentation pages)

* All the dev tools are seemingly available – sweet

* The page URL and title are big and nicely visible

* It looks awesome for touch. I don't have a touch laptop though :(

* Screenshots ... meh. I use OSXs built-in tools.

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by Tomis02 »

mathw wrote: post #63
zzzcpan wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing would happen, as long as they have UX professional on the team, who won't let them do stupid things like removing a backspace keyboard shortcut and not leaving options for those who got used to them.

It's a real shame they didn't have a UX professional on the team to tell them not to include backspace as a shortcut for back in the first place. Although I believe that was Microsoft's fault, but Google shouldn't have copied it. I've lost more data to that than any web browser bug over the years. Fortunately Chrome had an extension that let me turn it off!

The old Opera rarely had this problem, it would usually cache the input text. So if you accidentally went 'backspace' or closed the tab entirely you could easily recover your data in most scenarios. One could argue it's the user's fault for losing data, because using a sub-par browser is a choice. Just my 2 cents.
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