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Re: The PC is interesting again

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Post by petecox »

alexkavon wrote: post #30
bluedino wrote: post #24

Are we in a time machine? Lenovo released the Yoga, the first convertible that you could put in tent mode or tablet mode, and Microsoft released the Surface, back in 2012 . Intel announced the Ultrabook in 2011 . Today you have the same things. They've been revised and improved in the areas of screen, battery life, graphics performance, switching from HDD to SSD, but it's all been incremental. >> 2-IN-1S SUCCEEDED BE…

The author most likely never uses/used a 2-in-1. The Verge is known for its heavy Apple bias going so far at one point to indicate that most of the staff writes on a MacBook (single port nonsense version). They also usually make a similar claim to "The PC is interesting again" around CES and usually have a "The PC is boring and tired" article in the early fall before the usual fall hardware events. This is because Th…

I visited an Apple store recently. Comparing side-by-side an 12.9" iPad Pro with a 12" Macbook - the former is definitely 'sexier' by a wide margin.

Would not the same journalists with a "heavy Apple bias" not reach the same conclusion?

(skip both and get a Surface Pro?)

Re: The PC is interesting again

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Post by Qantourisc »

snvzz wrote: post #26
delegate wrote: post #7

Yep. Yesterday was the first time in many years when I decided to check out how much a good gaming PC would cost me today. The price for a i7 6700K 4.1GHz, 32GB RAM, 500GB SSD and nVidia GTX 1070: €1515 EUR (case and CPU cooler included). Add a €360 27" Monitor and the total goes to € 1875. Let's round that up to €2000. A similarly powered iMac (i7, 32GB RAM, 500GB SSD and an inferior Radeon R9 M395X) costs exactly:…

> The price for a i7 6700K 4.1GHz, 32GB RAM, 500GB SSD and nVidia GTX 1070: €1515 EUR (case and CPU cooler included). That's not a gaming pc. That looks more like a gaming-capable Workstation. Absolutely overkill CPU (games are seldom cpu bound), and too much RAM (games don't care). I suggest a glance at Logical Increments [0], which is definitely biased towards gaming, to see what you can do at a given price point.…

Depends on your monitor, if you decide on 144fps/hz, that can take a serious chunk out of your CPU. Lets say a game runs easy at 75FPS on the cpu, and lets assume it's 60% used. If you want to crank out 144fps, you have a problem. i7 6700K might be enough though, nut sure on the absolute required specs.

Re: The PC is interesting again

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Post by ebbv »

nemothekid wrote: post #41
snvzz wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The price for a i7 6700K 4.1GHz, 32GB RAM, 500GB SSD and nVidia GTX 1070: €1515 EUR (case and CPU cooler included). That's not a gaming pc. That looks more like a gaming-capable Workstation. Absolutely overkill CPU (games are seldom cpu bound), and too much RAM (games don't care). I suggest a glance at Logical Increments [0], which is definitely biased towards gaming, to see what you can do at a given price point.…

I think at 1080p gaming, CPU power is more important nowadays. Overwatch benefits greatly from the i7 6700k over the i5 6600k, going from 240-260fps to 300fps (the cap imposed by the engine, hitting this cap is useful for reducing input lag). As a result I've seen many gaming builds rocking the 6700k (and even 3000Mhz RAM!)

This just isn't true. Upping the resolution doesn't make the game more CPU intensive by much. Upping the resolution pushes the GPU.

Re: The PC is interesting again

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

solnyshok wrote: post #69
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use proportional fonts and feel most programming fonts are butt ugly. But even then, there isn't no reason to go with a crippled font designed for low resolution (1080p). The hardware is available now and while not "cheap", is definitely affordable when compared to my monthly salary. Most of us aren't living in the third world.

speak only for yourself, please. I live in EC, but in a less developed country. After monthly expenses, I have 200-300 euros left for gadgets, travel and unexpected expenses.

Hence my qualification. There are definitely places where the price isn't worth it yet. The world is not economically homogenous.

Re: The PC is interesting again

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Post by gkya »

muninn_ wrote: post #5

That Dell has a nice looking screen, but then they go and ruin it with the carbon-fiber-looking body. I'd also have to be able to run some operating system that isn't Windows (I'll never use Windows again) without having to screw around with drivers or other annoying quirks. Until it's beautiful and comes with a non-junky operating system I'm stuck with Mac. With that being said, I'm very glad to see other manufactur…

> I'd also have to be able to run some operating system that isn't Windows (I'll never use Windows again) without having to screw around with drivers or other annoying quirks.

Since like ten years the only time I have to mess with drivers is when I install Windows to someones computer (and I used Arch linux for ~3 years and since last May I'm on FreeBSD). You can go for Ubuntu or Elementary OS if you're looking for a nice desktop.

Re: The PC is interesting again

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Post by bobajeff »

snvzz wrote: post #26
delegate wrote: post #7

Yep. Yesterday was the first time in many years when I decided to check out how much a good gaming PC would cost me today. The price for a i7 6700K 4.1GHz, 32GB RAM, 500GB SSD and nVidia GTX 1070: €1515 EUR (case and CPU cooler included). Add a €360 27" Monitor and the total goes to € 1875. Let's round that up to €2000. A similarly powered iMac (i7, 32GB RAM, 500GB SSD and an inferior Radeon R9 M395X) costs exactly:…

> The price for a i7 6700K 4.1GHz, 32GB RAM, 500GB SSD and nVidia GTX 1070: €1515 EUR (case and CPU cooler included). That's not a gaming pc. That looks more like a gaming-capable Workstation. Absolutely overkill CPU (games are seldom cpu bound), and too much RAM (games don't care). I suggest a glance at Logical Increments [0], which is definitely biased towards gaming, to see what you can do at a given price point.…

Maybe it's by design but that site runs horribly on my phone. (Nexus 6)

Re: The PC is interesting again

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Post by onli »

ebbv wrote: post #73
nemothekid wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think at 1080p gaming, CPU power is more important nowadays. Overwatch benefits greatly from the i7 6700k over the i5 6600k, going from 240-260fps to 300fps (the cap imposed by the engine, hitting this cap is useful for reducing input lag). As a result I've seen many gaming builds rocking the 6700k (and even 3000Mhz RAM!)

This just isn't true. Upping the resolution doesn't make the game more CPU intensive by much. Upping the resolution pushes the GPU.

In this context, going to 1080p means lowering the resolution, allowing to use more money for the processor exactly because it means pushing the gpu less. I don't agree that a normal gaming PC needs a i7-6700K (reducing input lag in one game is something for pro gamers playing it as a job), but the logic is sound.

Re: The PC is interesting again

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Post by sbuttgereit »

chrismorgan wrote: post #63
bluedino wrote: post #24

Are we in a time machine? Lenovo released the Yoga, the first convertible that you could put in tent mode or tablet mode, and Microsoft released the Surface, back in 2012 . Intel announced the Ultrabook in 2011 . Today you have the same things. They've been revised and improved in the areas of screen, battery life, graphics performance, switching from HDD to SSD, but it's all been incremental. >> 2-IN-1S SUCCEEDED BE…

I’ve had my Surface Book for over seven months now, and it’s superb . I use it as a laptop the majority of the time, but a laptop with touch and a pen. And then I use it as a tablet some of the time, but a tablet with a pen as well, and a large tablet at that (which is normally desirable for me, though not always). Not everything is perfect about the device, and it’s expensive, but I consider it to be a good investme…

Yep. I have a Surface Book as well. I am reversed from your usage pattern though, I work out of my home most of the time... due to that I use a nice beefy workstation day-to-day... so I use the Surface Book more as a tablet and am happy to do so. I notice my wife who only has the surface book is about 50/50. She'll use the screen portion in portrait mode as a tablet for reading in whatever room we're in, but otherwise uses it as a laptop for basic work.

The only thing I miss (which my first tablet, the Xoom, had) is mobile data support. Yeah I could probably buy an addon device for that, but I think that would be self-defeating for tablet use.

Anyway, Surface Book is a fine 2-in-1 and demonstrates that proper engineering can make the format work.

Re: The PC is interesting again

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Post by [deleted] »

solnyshok wrote: post #69
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use proportional fonts and feel most programming fonts are butt ugly. But even then, there isn't no reason to go with a crippled font designed for low resolution (1080p). The hardware is available now and while not "cheap", is definitely affordable when compared to my monthly salary. Most of us aren't living in the third world.

speak only for yourself, please. I live in EC, but in a less developed country. After monthly expenses, I have 200-300 euros left for gadgets, travel and unexpected expenses.

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Re: The PC is interesting again

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Post by pessimizer »

bluedino wrote: post #24

Are we in a time machine? Lenovo released the Yoga, the first convertible that you could put in tent mode or tablet mode, and Microsoft released the Surface, back in 2012 . Intel announced the Ultrabook in 2011 . Today you have the same things. They've been revised and improved in the areas of screen, battery life, graphics performance, switching from HDD to SSD, but it's all been incremental. >> 2-IN-1S SUCCEEDED BE…

> Are we in a time machine?

No, we're in the midst of a marketing push by Microsoft after a relatively weak Apple year. All tech product news is fake news.

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