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The PC is interesting again
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#62I agree. As a developer, a desktop PC gives me the most value and peformance. I recently replaced my Asus zenbook laptop with a new desktop PC that I built myself, with an Intel i7 CPU, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD and a great nVidia graphics card, at a price that no laptop could ever compete.
Just today I was listening to more grief and complaints about the new MBPs (I develop on an older one now), and I got so tired of it all and said to myself, "the way out of this cycle might be to build a desktop PC and put a Linux distro on it." I don't take my current rig out of my office very often these days, though if I were living somewhere else I might. But I can get all my work done in my office for sure, so t…
Yes, the price of a new MBP is outrageous compared to a custom built desktop PC. I would think companies and startups would see the value of desktop PCs again.
> Did you price your components out on NewEgg?
I bought the components in Norway on komplett.no. The price was about 33% of a new MBP with 15" screen, but I got significantly better specifications.
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#63Are we in a time machine? Lenovo released the Yoga, the first convertible that you could put in tent mode or tablet mode, and Microsoft released the Surface, back in 2012 . Intel announced the Ultrabook in 2011 . Today you have the same things. They've been revised and improved in the areas of screen, battery life, graphics performance, switching from HDD to SSD, but it's all been incremental. >> 2-IN-1S SUCCEEDED BE…
I’ve had my Surface Book for over seven months now, and it’s superb. I use it as a laptop the majority of the time, but a laptop with touch and a pen. And then I use it as a tablet some of the time, but a tablet with a pen as well, and a large tablet at that (which is normally desirable for me, though not always). Not everything is perfect about the device, and it’s expensive, but I consider it to be a good investment in my productivity and comfort.
I even switched away from Linux because of the excellence that is the Surface Book.
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#64So are suits. http://paulgraham.com/submarine.html
I think people have finally figured out the scheme:
1. Make a product in the premium segment, that sends out signals of status and fashion.
2. Wear a turtle-neck to promote the product, as a cover-up.
3. Win over developers and designers.
4. Profit!
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nah. In 2013, macs were slightly more expensive than a comparable PC spec-wise, but still a fairly good deal. In 2016, the prices appear to have almost doubled and is totally unreasonable, while the specs are... malnourished. They even took away the escape key and the magsafe port. :(
According to their Amazon product page, the XPS 13 has a 2.5Ghz i5 and 8GB of RAM. It has a 256GB SSD and a 3000x1800 screen. It's selling for $1,350, original price $1,799. The 13" MacBook with touchbar has a 2.9Ghz i5 with 8GB of RAM. It has a 256GB SSD and a 2560x1600 screen. It's selling for $1,699, original price $1,799. I know people love to complain about the new MacBook and believe me, I have some complaints…
You do realize that the Dell is 20% cheaper right? That is a large price difference.. perhaps the issue is that people seem to insinuate that 20% price difference isn't much for them so its not much for everyone.
Also, the real value proposition for PC's is that they go on sale more than once a year and you can generally get discounts, replacement parts, upgrades, spares without that 20% premium again..
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#66When did they stop being interesting?
Jobs (or was it Cook?) said something about the post-PC era and the verge ran with it. Now they are admitting they were wrong in the own way...
It was Jobs. The term "post-PC" was never that smart I thought. I remember him in the interview, dead serious look on his face as he pressed the point. The thing is, "PC" doesn't necessarily need to remain stuck in the past, defined as "keyboard in front of big monitor".
That said, I'm right now sitting at a keyboard in front of big monitor, a big tower under the desk blowing hot air. I have Planet Coaster running on my second monitor. I now must return to PC (on my PC).
Making highly detailed roller coasters and amusement parks is very addictive, and cannot be done on a mobile or non-PC device at this level of detail. Sometimes you just need a PC to get to the good stuff.
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#67Yep. Yesterday was the first time in many years when I decided to check out how much a good gaming PC would cost me today. The price for a i7 6700K 4.1GHz, 32GB RAM, 500GB SSD and nVidia GTX 1070: €1515 EUR (case and CPU cooler included). Add a €360 27" Monitor and the total goes to € 1875. Let's round that up to €2000. A similarly powered iMac (i7, 32GB RAM, 500GB SSD and an inferior Radeon R9 M395X) costs exactly:…
Ridiculous argument. Macs have never been the value proposition, especially when they get fully loaded. Any literally any point in the history of the Mac, you could say "but you can get a comparable PC cheaper!" and it would be true. Macs have always been expensive, everyone has always complained that they're expensive, and they will continue to be expensive. This isn't new.
I don't think so, when you compare Macs to Windows machines with similar build quality. I got my 2014 rMBP because it was $200 cheaper than a Surface Pro 3 with the same specs at the time.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are lots of programming fonts designed to be used without anti-aliasing. This is a much cheaper way to get crisp typography.
I use proportional fonts and feel most programming fonts are butt ugly. But even then, there isn't no reason to go with a crippled font designed for low resolution (1080p). The hardware is available now and while not "cheap", is definitely affordable when compared to my monthly salary. Most of us aren't living in the third world.
speak only for yourself, please. I live in EC, but in a less developed country. After monthly expenses, I have 200-300 euros left for gadgets, travel and unexpected expenses.
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#70I've never lived without a laptop since 2002, and this year I'm going to get Razer Blade 14".
Laptops are getting desktop like performance with the portability of a small backpack and the weight of under 2kg. Full HD with 14" laptop looks just right.
With the human size not changing at all, I see that there's always a need for a PC.