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Re: I’m Joining LinkedIn

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Post by sotojuan »

WhitneyLand wrote: post #22

Is this concerning? https://www.google.com/trends/explore?q=ember.js,react.js In any case congrats on the new gig Tom.

Ember has never been the trendiest and hottest framework.

It quietly sits in the back, takes what it can get from other frameworks and attempts to innovate on them (see FastBoot vs. the mess that is server-rendered React) while enjoying a smaller but lively community.

For example, the Ember NYC meetup is a lot better than any React NYC one I've been to in terms of community and quality.

Re: I’m Joining LinkedIn

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Post by lcw »

kethinov wrote: post #51

> Perhaps you can write a tiny web app that loads instantly and still retains a full set of features, but most of the world cannot. I've long been skeptical of this line of thinking emanating from major thick client JS framework authors. I think they underestimate what people are capable of. > Over time, Ember will become like gcc -O3 for web apps, intelligently optimizing them and delivering them as fast as possible…

As software developers I think its easy for us to jump on this bandwagon that if you hand code all the things then you can make a super fast site and the internet would be such a wonderful place; and then thinking its all those heathen script kiddies using these junk JS frameworks slowing our browsers down.

I know I'm guilty of this line of thinking so I'm not judging, but I also think many companies big and small are actually making rather rational decisions when it comes to site performance and the use of JS frameworks. For instance where I work its common for us to knowingly slow down performance on a given page because the feature makes the company X money that offsets the performance loss and the time and money it would take to make it perform better. This compounds over time, but all along the way the business is making reasonable decisions. Frameworks like Ember allow great developers to add powerful features quickly for the businesses to monetize on. I don't think we should write off performance initiatives in these frameworks just because we know they won't live up to a vanilla JS implementation. I also don't think its fair to disparage the movement of thick JS frameworks on these grounds. Many of start-up's and large companies wouldn't be able to lift off products as quickly as they have without the head starts that frameworks such as Ember have given them.

Re: I’m Joining LinkedIn

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Post by Bahamut »

This makes a lot of sense - LinkedIn has basically went almost all in (if not all in) on Ember. Being probably the biggest tech company relying so heavily on Ember, it's unsurprising that they want a core maintainer of it on board.

Re: I’m Joining LinkedIn

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Post by r0m4n0 »

bsimpson wrote: post #62
jrowley wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple Music was built in Ember for example. http://builtwithember.io/featured/2015/07/04/apple-music/

Ember is the spiritual successor to Sproutcore, which powered many of Apple's early web apps.

I went through a tech interview for iCloud.com and I can confirm sproutcore there as well (as of 2017)

Re: I’m Joining LinkedIn

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Post by lightblade »

Bahamut wrote: post #73

This makes a lot of sense - LinkedIn has basically went almost all in (if not all in) on Ember. Being probably the biggest tech company relying so heavily on Ember, it's unsurprising that they want a core maintainer of it on board.

It's not "a" core maintainer. LinkedIn now has 4 (out of 13) Ember core members on board.

Re: I’m Joining LinkedIn

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Post by r0m4n0 »

Interesting they made that bet on Ember... My only assumption is they made that bet a few years ago and have been working on the refresh that just went live. Seasoned Ember developers are going to be hard to come by not that they couldn't settle for any other JavaScript specialist. I'm debating on an Ember gig this very moment and am slightly bothered by the idea of spending a year on a framework that is on a downward popularity trend...

Re: I’m Joining LinkedIn

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Post by RangerScience »

ctvo wrote: post #70
RangerScience wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Every person has the same capacity, the same brain, the same capability to become an Einstein God, I wish this were true, but it definitely isn't. We're trained to think it is, by virtue of (first) our belief in meritocracy (it's value, and that we're in one), and (second) by RPGs and other games. Our baseline cultural assumption is that things are, in the end, fairly balanced... but this just isn't the case. I thi…

> ... and (second) by RPGs and other games. I was expecting our western values rooted in the belief that all men are created equal or something. I really don't think RPGs and other games have somehow conditioned us (the niche market that even plays them) to think we're capable of anything, but I quit WoW a long time ago.

I really think they have. RPGs may be niche, but games aren't, and there's an expectation of balance between player positions in games; even across the equipment load-outs. There's expectations that you trade, say, fire power for precision; resilience for mobility; and that the trade is equitable.

Re: I’m Joining LinkedIn

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Post by fattire »

tyingq wrote: post #13

Lots of flagged comments, I suppose because of short quips related to the sleazy things LinkedIn has done in the past. I'm sure he's not unaware of those things. I wonder if he's thinking he may be able to influence them? Discourage dark patterns? Discourage the current mobile experience that's broken unless you download the app and/or log in?

Sleazy things in the past?

In the past as in last month, when I got one yet ANOTHER of those endless "I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn" spams?

As in last year, when LinkedIn's site was hacked and 6.5 million passwords dropped on the Internet, yet according to Vice, "LinkedIn never clarified how many users were affected by that breach" (turns out, about 18 times the reported number)

https://motherboard.vice.com/read/another-day-another-hack-1...

Or do you mean the last few years, as when LinkedIn paid a (paltry) $13 million to settle a lawsuit claiming they damaged people's reputations from their irritating emails and deceptive practices?

http://time.com/4062519/linkedn-spam-settlement/ http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/technology/l...

Do you really think all of LinkedIn's members were fully aware their contact list was being harvested and had knowledge and consented to that list being used for spamming? Clearly not.

IMO, LinkedIn's only positive contribution to the world is making it easier to spy on spies: https://icwatch.transparencytoolkit.org/

Re: I’m Joining LinkedIn

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Post by haimez »

sotojuan wrote: post #68
kethinov wrote: post #51

> Perhaps you can write a tiny web app that loads instantly and still retains a full set of features, but most of the world cannot. I've long been skeptical of this line of thinking emanating from major thick client JS framework authors. I think they underestimate what people are capable of. > Over time, Ember will become like gcc -O3 for web apps, intelligently optimizing them and delivering them as fast as possible…

Unfortunately a lot of us in HN make our living writing thick clients that ultimately perform worse than server-rendered apps with little benefit. It's just too easy to find a front end dev job that pays well, at least where I live.

Maybe you should find any of the websites that profit from faster load times and argue the business value. Because that's most of the places.

Re: I’m Joining LinkedIn

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Post by Applejinx »

sergiotapia wrote: post #21
dkarapetyan wrote: post #12

> LinkedIn has bet big on Ember. I like how as technologists we talk about "betting" on things. As if technology choices are like gambles.

They are bets. In the global market if you pick the wrong tool you severely limit your talent pool and upgrade path. Imagine being stuck on Marionette and Backbone these days. Tough to attract talent with old technology like that. And this is the global market. Imagine how worse it is if you want to hire local. Yikes.

Depends on what you're doing besides 'growing'.
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