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Re: Chrome browser for businesses

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Post by Manishearth »

twblalock wrote: post #62
ricardobeat wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox already does that, started long ago. They even added support for -webkit prefixes for the same reasons.

As I can tell you from experience, they don't work all of the time, and it is a source of frustration for front-end developers I know who need to work with it.

You're not supposed to use the webkit prefixes. The only reason firefox has them is because some older websites will stop working.

Most of them have equivalent standardized features, or are in a state where you really shouldn't be using them. Don't expect every webkit prefix to work in Firefox.

Re: Chrome browser for businesses

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Post by Manishearth »

bpizzi wrote: post #33
frik wrote: post #28

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Safari and nowadays Chrome DevTools are great. I miss the "DOM" tab, that Firebug for Firefox had features had, and I haven't found anywhere else. You can browse the DOM tree state and edit - similar to Smalltalk and Windows Registry - very useful & powerful. Sadly, they just killed Firebug, broke the addon, deactivated it with an update and replaced it with a still not feature-complete (at the moment sub-par) soluti…

I think that what you're asking for is already doable in the "Elements" tabs of Chrome DevTools, no? Or maybe I didn't get what you really meant by "You can browse the DOM tree state and edit"?

I think they're talking about the DOM tree, not the HTML element tree. Similar to https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/dom-inspector...

Re: Chrome browser for businesses

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Post by dingaling »

jpochtar wrote: post #61

Is anyone else concerned that this means IT can choose to hold back the version of Chrome in their organizations? Auto-updating Chrome has been low key one of the best solutions to the pain of backwards compatibility with older browsers. In the past we not only had to worry about compatibility between browsers, we had to worry about compatibility between browser versions. Further, auto-updating Chrome as dramatically…

Companies have far too much internal plumbing to permit browsers to auto-update themselves. Being feature-compatible with the latest SV-poster-child website is insignificant compared to maintaining stability for the tax-management team's internal web app.

I was once involved in an IE6 -> IE8 upgrade for a Fortune 100 corporation. It took nine months to analyze all the possible impacts and implement mitigations before the first internal production release. And that was fast on account of teams being forced to particpate by C-officer mandate.

By the time the deployment was finished, which required several more months, IE10 was mainstream in the Real World.

Re: Chrome browser for businesses

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Post by gcp »

satysin wrote: post #51
krzyk wrote: post #18

Is this about replacing one monopoly with another? It is slowly starting too look like in the early 00's, most developers are starting to support only chrome, with no testing in Firefox or latest IE. On Android it is even worse, no one is testing with Firefox Mobile (Fennec) - this is WinXP-IE6 all over again.

I was a long time Firefox user until the start of this year. I think I started using Pheonix as my main browser around 0.5 or 0.6. However over the years Firefox has got heavier and slower and taken way too long to evolve. It sucked when I realised I hadn't opened Firefox for a whole month. Now I just stay in Chrome as it is, for me, the best browsing experience. It is fast and looks good. It might be a large program…

Mozilla have a lot of money but progress seems very slow

As opposed to Google, Apple and Microsoft?

Consider what happened to Opera. I think you vastly underestimate the complexity of modern browsers. By orders of magnitude.

Re: Chrome browser for businesses

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Post by gcp »

vorticalbox wrote: post #35
simfoo wrote: post #32

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>On Android it is even worse, no one is testing with Firefox Mobile (Fennec) - this is WinXP-IE6 all over again. I'm always surprised why this is the case. Firefox Mobile + UBlock Origin works really well and is only very slightly slower than Chrome, while also blocking ads

Chrome is more convenient in that it syncs everything once you sign in and Firefox sync system just doesn't feel as refined. Probably doesn't help that google plaster "get google chrome" over all of their services.

The latest ads are interesting in their "Official browser from Google" angle.

Read: Google is the internet. Google is whom you should trust.

Re: Chrome browser for businesses

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Post by gcp »

abrbhat wrote: post #41
krzyk wrote: post #18

Is this about replacing one monopoly with another? It is slowly starting too look like in the early 00's, most developers are starting to support only chrome, with no testing in Firefox or latest IE. On Android it is even worse, no one is testing with Firefox Mobile (Fennec) - this is WinXP-IE6 all over again.

Even though it is mostly under the radar, UC Browser is an extremely popular browser for Android in India

It's WebKit based so it doesn't actually change anything.

Re: Chrome browser for businesses

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Post by technion »

whateveracct wrote: post #40
reitanqild wrote: post #27

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For Firefox there is (was?) IETab which lets you open websites in IE tabs inside Firefox. I think there was even an option to specify that certain websites (e.g. the Intranet, certain banks) should always open in IETab. Haven't used it for years but back when I was a Windows sysadmin it was the final proof that FF was better than IE: in addition to being Firefox it could also be IE : )

IETab - now that's a blast from the past o.O

I've got a medical application that only works in Firefox running IETab. Interestingly, it doesn't work in any version of IE. It's an odd product.

Re: Chrome browser for businesses

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Post by epalmer »

twblalock wrote: post #58

One notable thing about the dominance of Chrome (and the decline of Firefox) is that WebKit is now a de facto standard. The desktop and mobile versions of Chrome and Safari are based on it, and according to Microsoft, "any Edge-WebKit differences are bugs that we’re interested in fixing." ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Edge ). That covers every major desktop and smartphone browser except Firefox. At some p…

I manage 134 branded sites for a university and a handful of other sites. We target IE11, Edge, Safari, FireFox and Chrome compatibility with desktop and mobile (ios, android). Once Microsoft announced sunsetting support for earlier browser versions our job got a lot easier. We all said "thanks MS, took you long enough".

In the last 30 days for the branded sites we have roughly these percentages of sessions by browser:

  chrome  46%
  safari  32% 
  ie      11%
  firefox 8%
  edge    2%
This for about 370,000 sessions.

We will continue to support the same browsers for the next two to three years and then adjust as needed.

Re: Chrome browser for businesses

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Post by donatj »

krzyk wrote: post #18

Is this about replacing one monopoly with another? It is slowly starting too look like in the early 00's, most developers are starting to support only chrome, with no testing in Firefox or latest IE. On Android it is even worse, no one is testing with Firefox Mobile (Fennec) - this is WinXP-IE6 all over again.

We test on browsers we see more than 1% usage on by rule. This includes a swath of versions and platforms of IE, Chrome, Firefox, Edge as well as some foreign ones I know little about like UCBrowser.

Firefox Mobile does not meet that rule for us. I know personally a single person who uses it, and that's only because he's fiercely anti-Google.

There's just little sense testing against something no one is using, lest we want to test NetPositive [1].

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetPositive

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