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Britain passed the “most extreme surveillance law ever passed in a democracy”

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Re: Britain passed the “most extreme surveillance law ever passed in a democracy”

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Post by rm_-rf_slash »

nailer wrote: post #40
rubberstamp wrote: post #19

Will the citizens allow it to be passed if they knew about it via some news source? Of course "news" now a days is about kardarshians or justin beiber than about things that requires serious attention. This may have hardly got tiny little square cm area in newspapers or 30 seconds air time. Thus sinks democracy. People who are informed are way less in number than non-informed people, but all get to vote thus diluting…

Many people who didn't grow up with online communications don't value online communications and don't expect them to have the same levels of privacy as paper mail - but they'd be horrified if someone else opened their post. If you mailed each of them (via traditional post) an envelope that was torn open and taped together with a message saying 'the government is doing this to all your mail' they may think differently…

I think that would be an effective public information campaign and this idea should be given serious consideration.

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Post by rubberstamp »

dualogy wrote: post #52
rubberstamp wrote: post #19

Will the citizens allow it to be passed if they knew about it via some news source? Of course "news" now a days is about kardarshians or justin beiber than about things that requires serious attention. This may have hardly got tiny little square cm area in newspapers or 30 seconds air time. Thus sinks democracy. People who are informed are way less in number than non-informed people, but all get to vote thus diluting…

> I think there needs to be a law that punishes false information > Thus sinks democracy. Fixed the order of statements for you..

I meant a law for journalists, similar to malpractice lawsuits against doctors, if they keep spreading misinformation as news.

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Post by BenElgar »

98Windows wrote: post #57
s_kilk wrote: post #12

> Despite the uproar, the government's opposition failed to scrutinize any significant amendments and abstained from the final vote. Killock said recently that the opposition Labour party spent its time "simply failing to hold the government to account". What the hell is the point of the Labour party these days? They are absolutely not an effective opposition. Worthless bastards, one and all.

>Worthless bastards, one and all. Why write this crap? The labour party is the biggest left wing party in Europe, are you saying everyone inside it is worthless?

There's an important difference between the members of the party and its members of parliament.

Re: Britain passed the “most extreme surveillance law ever passed in a democracy”

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Post by grzm »

rubberstamp wrote: post #72
dualogy wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think there needs to be a law that punishes false information > Thus sinks democracy. Fixed the order of statements for you..

I meant a law for journalists, similar to malpractice lawsuits against doctors, if they keep spreading misinformation as news.

See your comment's sibling. You can sue for libel or negligence.

I found this page useful:

http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/proving-fault-actual-malice-...

Re: Britain passed the “most extreme surveillance law ever passed in a democracy”

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Post by derrickdirge »

DannyB2 wrote: post #45

It sickens me that Britain passed the most extreme surveillance law ever. America is supposed to be number 1 at everything. C'mon congress, get on the ball! Don't let America be out done by Britain.

#MAGA

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Post by atom_enger »

If we can't fight them in the courts then we fight them where we are comfortable. Now more than ever we need to start outpacing the law using technology. We've done this before and we can do it again. Bits move faster than bureaucracy :)

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Post by anigbrowl »

datamoshr wrote: post #44

As a UK resident, this irks me beyond belief. It's a sickening invasion of human rights[1]. To echo u/rubberstamps sentiments, it's such that there's been little to no coverage of this in the media. But it's the same everywhere, introduce an encroaching bill, have uproar from those with the heads screwed on (the minority). Let it grow a little stale in the publics eye and keep reintroducing with slight alterations it…

Then you'd better do something because pretty soon you won't have the option to leave for a more enlightened jurisdiction.

Re: Britain passed the “most extreme surveillance law ever passed in a democracy”

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Post by rubberstamp »

pjc50 wrote: post #23
rubberstamp wrote: post #19

Will the citizens allow it to be passed if they knew about it via some news source? Of course "news" now a days is about kardarshians or justin beiber than about things that requires serious attention. This may have hardly got tiny little square cm area in newspapers or 30 seconds air time. Thus sinks democracy. People who are informed are way less in number than non-informed people, but all get to vote thus diluting…

Quite a lot of them would be in favour of it as a means of "fighting terrorism". It's not so much what is reported as how it's spun. The really big thing is the "internet connection record": every TCP connection you make is supposed to be logged by the ISP: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachm... (just look at that list of justifications. Of course! It's about catching paedos! The all purpose…

its all misuse of language. a spade should be called spade. Here is a situation, the people staying in their own country and fighting against outside forces. Who is real terrorist? Those outside forces that have no business being there in the first place are the ones doing real terrorizing. The war on terrorism is just a double speak. Its war for profits for political and monetary gains.

If as much as 10% of the energy and money spent for all this nonsense was actually used to fight poverty and improve infrastructure and research, we would've been technologically advanced to year 2100 already!

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