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Re: FreeBSD 11.0 Now Available

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Have they fixed the remnants of the update security hole? I haven't been keeping up, so they might have done that already, but I thought I'd ask.

Yes. They fixed the theoretical stuff and the things where you'd have required to be root anyway.

In 11.0-RELEASE-p1, or just 11-STABLE? Do you have a link to the commits landing in the RELEASE branch?

Re: FreeBSD 11.0 Now Available

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Is anyone using FreeBSD on their development machine? Are there any gotchas compared to Linux?

I use CURRENT on a Thinkpad X230. It works ok. Main gotchas: * No SSL CA certificates out of the box. FreeBSD security team has taken the curious posture of claiming that shipping no CAs is better than just shipping e.g. Mozilla's CA bundle.[0] * rc.d is like Linux init from 5 years ago. Dynamic network configuration is not handled well. * Intel GPU driver support for anything above Haswell is still waiting to be mer…

I use HEAD on a Intel Skull Canyon (Sky Canyon i7) NUC.

Intel GPU driver just works on a 4K screen.

I run ZFS on a pair or mirrored M.2 (NGFF) SSDs. Disk encryption is straight-forward here. pfSense 2.4 will have ZFS as well.

I have a mostly retired x230 as well. 'Only' 16GB ram.

Re: FreeBSD 11.0 Now Available

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"Wireless support for 802.11n has been added" C'mon FreeBSD! We're in the 802.11ac era! As much as I love BSD, they're always a couple of years behind the status quo

Hi! FreeBSD wifi person here! * ath(4)'s 11n support is much, much better now. All the AR93xx/AR95xx PCIe devices are supported and STA/AP 11n should work great. * iwn(4)'s 11n is much, much better. It still has some warts, and I'd love some help in chasing them down. * urtwn(4) in -HEAD does 11n now. * rsu(4) in -HEAD does 11n now. * iwm(4) (intel 7260, etc) is getting better every day in freebsd and dragonflybsd. T…

Hey Adrian,

thanks for the shout-out in the release notes. And thanks for all you do for FreeBSD.

Re: FreeBSD 11.0 Now Available

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Is anyone using FreeBSD on their development machine? Are there any gotchas compared to Linux?

Using FreeBSD -CURRENT on my ThinkPad X240. Mostly works great. Can't resume from suspend on that particular laptop, but I can live without the sleep thing. For development, it's excellent! (Favorite things: non-GPL not-breaking-compatibility-every-day libc that doesn't cause any problems ever. Simple init system. Simple configuration files, moving towards using libucl everywhere. And libxo for output. Good documenta…

Is /usr/bin/env bash good enough? Or should I assume that only a "sh" is available? (I found tcsh tricky when I first started using FreeBSD, and I think a few of my accounts have the default shell set to bash)

Re: FreeBSD 11.0 Now Available

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Is anyone using FreeBSD on their development machine? Are there any gotchas compared to Linux?

I do not think Android dev on freebsd works that well My understanding was that various android emulator features that are better at supporting on Linux or Windows, and do not work on FreeBSD. Happy to be corrected though. Also if your development depends (or benefits from) ATI device drivers, freeBSD (or any BSD for that matter) is not the best choice.

I'd be interested to see if Android can boot in bhyve.

Re: FreeBSD 11.0 Now Available

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> A kernel panic triggered when destroying a vnet(9) jail(8) configured with gif(4) has been fixed. [r271917] > A kernel panic triggered when destroying a vnet(9) jail(8) configured with gre(4) has been fixed. [r271918] I see they fixed the kernel panics when destroying vnet jails but is vnet enabled by default? Or do I have to compile a custom kernel like with FreeBSD 10.x

I'm pretty sure you'll still need to compile the kernel specifically for VNET. I'm not sure what's stopping it being enabled by default.

Re: FreeBSD 11.0 Now Available

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I think the highlights don't mention the release's best bits. The full release notes are way larger and it really depends on what you do, what you might consider the most interesting part. Also I am happy to see a bunch of "Sponsored by..." Netflix, Yandex, NGINX Inc, Netgate, Citrix, Juniper Networks, Microsoft, Dell, Multiplay, ScaleEngine, etc. in there. https://www.freebsd.org/releases/11.0R/relnotes.html

As a full time developer, you are correct that the relnotes don't capture all the great stuff. It is difficult to keep track of all that is going on. The only way I know how is to continuously read the commit logs. But distilling that down into a useful document for end users is quite hard, especially retroactively. I will say that the release has non-trivial improvements in TCP performance (Mike Karels, Matt Macy, N…

>I will say that the release has non-trivial improvements in TCP performance

For your average home / small business user? Or do you need to be at Netflix scale to see the benefits? (that's not a bad thing).

Re: FreeBSD 11.0 Now Available

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I use CURRENT on a Thinkpad X230. It works ok. Main gotchas: * No SSL CA certificates out of the box. FreeBSD security team has taken the curious posture of claiming that shipping no CAs is better than just shipping e.g. Mozilla's CA bundle.[0] * rc.d is like Linux init from 5 years ago. Dynamic network configuration is not handled well. * Intel GPU driver support for anything above Haswell is still waiting to be mer…

Hmph. I remember when "session management" was echo startx >> .loginrc I sure miss being able to understand and control my machine...

I reached the point of not understanding my machine when mounting a disk on Linux required udisks2/dbus and parts of Gnome.

FreeBSD can be pretty spartan, but I do feel like I'm more in control.

Re: FreeBSD 11.0 Now Available

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Using FreeBSD -CURRENT on my ThinkPad X240. Mostly works great. Can't resume from suspend on that particular laptop, but I can live without the sleep thing. For development, it's excellent! (Favorite things: non-GPL not-breaking-compatibility-every-day libc that doesn't cause any problems ever. Simple init system. Simple configuration files, moving towards using libucl everywhere. And libxo for output. Good documenta…

Is /usr/bin/env bash good enough? Or should I assume that only a "sh" is available? (I found tcsh tricky when I first started using FreeBSD, and I think a few of my accounts have the default shell set to bash)

if you actually need bash, /usr/bin/env bash works; but often something could actually be a sh script with a bit of care. Some Linux distributions have been changing /bin/sh to something other than bash, which helps.

if bash is installed; if not, at least it's a fairly clear indication that you should install bash

Re: FreeBSD 11.0 Now Available

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Yes. They fixed the theoretical stuff and the things where you'd have required to be root anyway.

In 11.0-RELEASE-p1, or just 11-STABLE? Do you have a link to the commits landing in the RELEASE branch?

In 11.0-RELEASE-p1.

I merged them here: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=30637...

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