Glad to see this is full legalization being proposed. Decriminalization is of little use to the chronically uncool.
Does smoking pot make you cool?
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Canada to introduce legislation to legalize recreational cannabis
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Re: Canada to introduce legislation to legalize recreational cannabis
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Could be. I wonder if they would be the first to fully legalize on a national level? I can't think of any other country that has.
Uruguay
That law passed in 2013 and they're still implementing the large scale sales part of the deal. Which in this case means that pharmacies will distributed the drug to "registered" customers. That will start in the second part of the year.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/24/uruguay-legal-m...
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're confusing the two. Decriminalization needs nothing more than to be removed from the controlled substances list, and being removed from the criminal code. It's easy peasy, and could be done easily within a week. You don't need anything because it's no longer criminal, you just stop prosecuting them. Quick announcement to the feeds on the streets, and you're running. Legalization on the other hand, which is what…
Edit: I thought you were the one with your definitions reversed but it seem news organizations and stories actually seem to also use contradictory definition. See for example: http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/06/ec... versus http://globalnews.ca/news/2650706/canada-to-introduce-pot-le...
No, those are the same in both articles. Mulcair's views, are largely irrelevant now.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're confusing the two. Decriminalization needs nothing more than to be removed from the controlled substances list, and being removed from the criminal code. It's easy peasy, and could be done easily within a week. You don't need anything because it's no longer criminal, you just stop prosecuting them. Quick announcement to the feeds on the streets, and you're running. Legalization on the other hand, which is what…
Edit: I thought you were the one with your definitions reversed but it seem news organizations and stories actually seem to also use contradictory definition. See for example: http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/06/ec... versus http://globalnews.ca/news/2650706/canada-to-introduce-pot-le...
Those two articles don't seem to contradict each other. They are both using legalization and decriminalization in the same way (i'm pretty sure).
The globalnews article talks a bit about how the Liberals tried decriminalizing it in the past and failed. And Justin Trudeau saying why they won't decriminalize before they legalize it. But the focus is on the legalization/regulation of it next year. It is not using those two interchangeably.
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No, they have promised legalization. However there's virtually no chance of this being a free-for-all. What I expect the main features to be: - Certified and regulated producers, though not numerically limited - heavily-taxed. - no problems growing your own. - retail distribution depends on province. More liberal in BC, government-run in Ontario. - separate certifications for places "serving" (ie, pot cafes). Can't t…
...I'd prefer my neighbors not to stink up the whole building with their skunk stench.
Me too, to be honest, but I'd also prefer them not to go to jail for it.
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Does smoking pot make you cool?
No, the contrapositive. Being cool helps you access the trust networks through which illegal supply flows.
Not in my experience...it's just a matter of knowing where to look.
Not that I'm really interested in smoking pot any more. It's a bit too uncool and boring.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
In other words, regulated in a way that is very close to how alcohol is currently sold in Ontario.
The key difference is that quality marijuana can be grown indoors for personal consumption, whereas it's very difficult to make a quality whiskey or beer by comparison. So I'm curious what effect this will have on prices. Because if pricing is anything like alcohol in Ontario then there will still be a lively black market and, if legalized, a personal-growing boom. In Ontario alcohol can only be bought at two governm…
Speaking as someone with experience and friends who do both I can assure you it's far easier to make quality beer than it is to learn all the ins and outs of growing quality cannabis. You have it exactly backwards.
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#79How does this effect the supply chain? Let me re-phrase that, are we still criminalizing the supply side? If so, we're just exporting our violence south of the USA border.
No, they have promised legalization. However there's virtually no chance of this being a free-for-all. What I expect the main features to be: - Certified and regulated producers, though not numerically limited - heavily-taxed. - no problems growing your own. - retail distribution depends on province. More liberal in BC, government-run in Ontario. - separate certifications for places "serving" (ie, pot cafes). Can't t…
We'll have to see whether grow-at-home will be permitted. Here in Canada it is illegal to operate a spirits distillery in your home. I wouldn't be surprised if it is not legalized, as it opens up avenues for "criminal selling", ie: people growing at home and selling it - bypassing taxation. And, let's be honest, government revenue from taxation is the real reason legalization is even on the table.
It doesn't matter how grow-at-home laws will be written. There will always be those people who will exceed the "personal plants limit" to grow and sell to friends / the street. Especially if legally obtainable strains wind up being very limited, or if the tax is too expensive.
The whole system including strain restrictions and pricing (+ taxation) is going to be interesting to watch unfold. If officials think that your average daily consumers - not the new people who will toke once legal, but those who already consume daily - are going to tolerate an increase of any amount for the product... enjoy the black market that will continue to proliferate.
I do love the lackluster "legalization will keep weed out of kids' hands!" How exactly does that way of thinking even begin to work? ;)
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#80https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Convention_on_Narcotic_... How do they get out of this? I've read that this is a big holdup in US federal drug law reform.
UN is meeting one of the next couple of months to hopefully start to get rid of all that idiocy. Hard to justify the US's position now with 4 states and DC legalizing it and many countries have been waiting some time to get rid of these stupid treaties and the war on drugs that's literally killing some of them as we speak.
I think the trick that the US uses is that: the federal government is complying by outlawing it, even if individual member states legalize it.