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Canada to introduce legislation to legalize recreational cannabis

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Re: Canada to introduce legislation to legalize recreational cannabis

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Post by alanctgardner3 »

topherbullock wrote: post #24
brebla wrote: post #7

How does this effect the supply chain? Let me re-phrase that, are we still criminalizing the supply side? If so, we're just exporting our violence south of the USA border.

Legalizing sale and taxation through govt supported venues, much like how alcohol is sold in Canada. Still illegal to sell it as an individual without a permit from the govt, as is the case with alcohol in Canada.

Alcohol sales (and drinking age) vary across provinces - I don't think any will let you sell your homemade liquor, but Ontario is very restrictive, while Quebec (for example) is relatively relaxed.

Re: Canada to introduce legislation to legalize recreational cannabis

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Post by romek »

biot wrote: post #34
ufmace wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could be. I wonder if they would be the first to fully legalize on a national level? I can't think of any other country that has.

Portugal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal Since July 2001, all drugs are legal subject to personal consumption limits.

From the same article: "In Portugal, recreational use of cannabis is forbidden by law; also the medicinal use is not yet officially recognized"

Re: Canada to introduce legislation to legalize recreational cannabis

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Post by allisthemoist »

dmix wrote: post #49
allisthemoist wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In other words, regulated in a way that is very close to how alcohol is currently sold in Ontario.

The key difference is that quality marijuana can be grown indoors for personal consumption, whereas it's very difficult to make a quality whiskey or beer by comparison. So I'm curious what effect this will have on prices. Because if pricing is anything like alcohol in Ontario then there will still be a lively black market and, if legalized, a personal-growing boom. In Ontario alcohol can only be bought at two governm…

quality marijuana.

Quality would definitely be the main difference. Although I have friends that have made decent wine and beer themselves.

Re: Canada to introduce legislation to legalize recreational cannabis

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Post by dmix »

allisthemoist wrote: post #53
dmix wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The key difference is that quality marijuana can be grown indoors for personal consumption, whereas it's very difficult to make a quality whiskey or beer by comparison. So I'm curious what effect this will have on prices. Because if pricing is anything like alcohol in Ontario then there will still be a lively black market and, if legalized, a personal-growing boom. In Ontario alcohol can only be bought at two governm…

quality marijuana. Quality would definitely be the main difference. Although I have friends that have made decent wine and beer themselves.

The bar is much for wine/beer higher than weed in terms of quality. And whiskey/rum/voldka is not even an option. This is largely due to gains in technology due to hydroponics and decades of seed cultivation.

That plus the extend time weed has been on the black market made the information on how to grow it widely available to average consumers. No trade secrets there really.

Re: Canada to introduce legislation to legalize recreational cannabis

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allisthemoist wrote: post #53
dmix wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The key difference is that quality marijuana can be grown indoors for personal consumption, whereas it's very difficult to make a quality whiskey or beer by comparison. So I'm curious what effect this will have on prices. Because if pricing is anything like alcohol in Ontario then there will still be a lively black market and, if legalized, a personal-growing boom. In Ontario alcohol can only be bought at two governm…

quality marijuana. Quality would definitely be the main difference. Although I have friends that have made decent wine and beer themselves.

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Re: Canada to introduce legislation to legalize recreational cannabis

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Post by dumbguy »

schwap wrote: post #8
ufmace wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting, the linked article called it decriminalize, but the text sounded more like full legalization to me. If you have the political support to fully legalize, why take half measures?

From what I understand, legalization is a lot more complicated in relation to international drug treaties that Canada is a part of.

Nah, we're not really worried about those treaties, we're going to send our little, "thank you, but we will no longer be complying with Section XXXXX, in YYYY)". Decriminalizing is simply taking it off the current schedule, and removing it from existing laws.

Legalization requires a whole framework of laws to be created. You could piggyback off cigarettes of alcohol, but should you? Those are the discussions that will be heard over the next sever months.

Re: Canada to introduce legislation to legalize recreational cannabis

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Post by asd »

Perhaps it's now time to look at investing in some of the existing Canadian medicinal cannabis producers. Like cannabis or not, it's here to stay and becoming more legitimized with each passing day. The question is, who's going to supply it? It's going to be regulated and knowing Canada, it will be regulated thoroughly.

Re: Canada to introduce legislation to legalize recreational cannabis

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Post by andrewstuart »

In Australia "the Victorian government, is introducing laws in December to allow families access to medicinal cannabis in exceptional circumstances. "

You have to be genuinely, deeply sick in Australia to be allowed to puff a joint. It's like living in the 1950's. So strange that Australia follows the world so quickly towards becoming more conservative and is so incredibly slow to become less conservative, even when our cultural leader, the U.S.A. is headed that way.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/victorian-children-with-ep...

Re: Canada to introduce legislation to legalize recreational cannabis

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Post by dumbguy »

tsieling wrote: post #35
dumbguy wrote: post #21

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It will be legalize, not decriminalize. The party has majority, they could have passed a decrim on day one. They have no intent of decriminalizing.

No, they could not pass it on day one. Getting legislation together like this takes support building in other areas of government, and getting it right so it isn't toppled because of flawed wording takes crafting. They need to bring people on board and do it well or it falls apart. It takes time.

You're confusing the two. Decriminalization needs nothing more than to be removed from the controlled substances list, and being removed from the criminal code. It's easy peasy, and could be done easily within a week. You don't need anything because it's no longer criminal, you just stop prosecuting them. Quick announcement to the feeds on the streets, and you're running.

Legalization on the other hand, which is what the current gov is going for, is legalization. And that requires all those special departments, policies, procedures, laws, etc...

Re: Canada to introduce legislation to legalize recreational cannabis

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Post by ufmace »

biot wrote: post #34
ufmace wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could be. I wonder if they would be the first to fully legalize on a national level? I can't think of any other country that has.

Portugal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal Since July 2001, all drugs are legal subject to personal consumption limits.

Looks like decriminalization to me, which matches up with what I heard. Meaning that personal users don't get thrown in jail, but the supply chain is still illegal, and nobody would dare try to set up a legitimate business for production or distribution. So all of the profits of the trade go to criminal gangs and street violence instead of either legitimate, tax-paying companies or the Government itself.
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