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Re: Facebook is ruining Instagram

#71

Post by Sjenmann »

criley2 wrote: post #60
pekk wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a bizarre complaint. Companies like Google, Apple, and Facebook (and their CEOs) are all routinely discussed and criticized here. Nobody is "crucified" and it is in no way specific to Facebook. Nor is HN somehow unique as a place where Facebook is criticized. Why so sensitive on Zuckerberg's behalf?

Not bizarre at all. I strongly disagree that companies like Google, Apple and Facebook are equivalently criticized and, in fact, I find that each one has the "primary criticism" and the "we don't talk about it" part of the business that is oddly ignored. For Google, "we don't talk about" their aggressive and abusing advertising practices, even though they themselves have written the book on invasive online advertisin…

So whats your point? As long as Zuck is doing what everyone else is doing its fine?

Give me a break. With the 35 Billion the world has donated to him he is going to be an obvious target. The poor boy can use his brain and isn't being forced into his bullshit decisions. He could have just opensourced Facebook. He could have got it to work like IRC or email. There are a zillion options an imaginative mind can come up with, especially given the hubris about openness and society he peddles every time he gets on stage.

I am quite happy with the amount of vitriol directed at him, and am even happier to read recently in this supposed open and connected world, he has created that he has to live surrounded by 20 bodyguards.

Linus Torvalds and Jimmy Wales dont. And they are better models of what software can do any day of the week than Zuckerberg's bullshit generating creation.

Re: Facebook is ruining Instagram

#73

Post by dilemma »

andreyk wrote: post #27

So the point of the post is "Now the timeline order has changed. It's not a timeline anymore, but it's a filtered and reordered feed. I feel very sad about that and I want to explain you why." The why in that is "Now Instagram aims to be the brother of Facebook: a time sucking machine that has to steal the highest amount of my time to maximise the exposure of his ads. Now it’s too hard for me follow what’s happening…

Neither you nor the article is correct. The exposure algorithm is being introduced because with it, they can sell premium spots to advertisers. Without it, it's impossible to do it in a way that doesn't stick out.

Re: Facebook is ruining Instagram

#74

Post by criley2 »

Sjenmann wrote: post #71
criley2 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not bizarre at all. I strongly disagree that companies like Google, Apple and Facebook are equivalently criticized and, in fact, I find that each one has the "primary criticism" and the "we don't talk about it" part of the business that is oddly ignored. For Google, "we don't talk about" their aggressive and abusing advertising practices, even though they themselves have written the book on invasive online advertisin…

So whats your point? As long as Zuck is doing what everyone else is doing its fine? Give me a break. With the 35 Billion the world has donated to him he is going to be an obvious target. The poor boy can use his brain and isn't being forced into his bullshit decisions. He could have just opensourced Facebook. He could have got it to work like IRC or email. There are a zillion options an imaginative mind can come up w…

>As long as Zuck is doing what everyone else is doing its fine?

I love when a user invents a fake point, then spends their entire post attacking the fake point.

Nice strawman, I hope it was pleasurable to knock it down, because other than giving yourself pleasure, I'm not quite sure why you chose to waste your time this way.

>I am quite happy with the amount of vitriol directed at him, and am even happier to read recently in this supposed open and connected world, he has created that he has to live surrounded by 20 bodyguards.

Frankly, you're a sick person and I pity you a little. No wonder you're a new account, this kind of nastiness is not the way this community behaves.

Re: Facebook is ruining Instagram

#75

Post by xufi »

colordrops wrote: post #58

This is why I stopped using Facebook. The feed became non-deterministic and unpredictable. It felt manipulative. I don't need a mediated experience, thanks.

Not to mention the constant bombardment of "Trending articles" that you can't even block even with a good Adblocker (so far as I've tried)

Re: Facebook is ruining Instagram

#76

Post by axelfreeman »

This algo will show photos with more likes on top. I wanna see photos from people and not this hashtagspam pushed crap in my timeline. Instagram fails at catching spam all the time. More likes = more views = more likes. The same problem facebook has right now. I wanna see pics of my follower and not only the "pages" with photographic skills + photoshop + hashtagspam.

It's getting less social and more like magazine-subscription of channels.

Re: Facebook is ruining Instagram

#77

Post by jinushaun »

Facebook's algorithmic news feed is why my feed is full of politics, when if I actually visited people's profile pages individually, that's not really the case. There are all these non-political posts that just don't show up in my feed.

Real time is better. Don't guess what I would prefer to see. Let me filter it myself.

Re: Facebook is ruining Instagram

#78

Post by pmarreck »

Retric wrote: post #38
pmarreck wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least on iPhone, the web app is less resource-hoggy and just as featureful. Most of the social events I go to are now typically organized via Facebook; the non-FB people require a separate email which is an extra step that is not taken 100% of the time.

>an extra step that is not taken 100% of the time. IMO, that's often a feature not a bug.

I understand this POV, but I think it ends up being more bug than feature :)

Re: Facebook is ruining Instagram

#79

Post by sp332 »

sp332 wrote: post #69
andreyk wrote: post #27

So the point of the post is "Now the timeline order has changed. It's not a timeline anymore, but it's a filtered and reordered feed. I feel very sad about that and I want to explain you why." The why in that is "Now Instagram aims to be the brother of Facebook: a time sucking machine that has to steal the highest amount of my time to maximise the exposure of his ads. Now it’s too hard for me follow what’s happening…

It's hard to tell if you've seen all the photos or not when they're re-ordered on a regular basis.

I know it's late but I wanted to add something that's been frustrating me on Facebook lately, and that is that it's almost impossible to re-find a newish post that you've seen already. The during algorithm makes you wade through tons of other posts first, even thigh the one you're looking for used to be right on top.

Re: Facebook is ruining Instagram

#80

Post by EdHominem »

criley2 wrote: post #60
pekk wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a bizarre complaint. Companies like Google, Apple, and Facebook (and their CEOs) are all routinely discussed and criticized here. Nobody is "crucified" and it is in no way specific to Facebook. Nor is HN somehow unique as a place where Facebook is criticized. Why so sensitive on Zuckerberg's behalf?

Not bizarre at all. I strongly disagree that companies like Google, Apple and Facebook are equivalently criticized and, in fact, I find that each one has the "primary criticism" and the "we don't talk about it" part of the business that is oddly ignored. For Google, "we don't talk about" their aggressive and abusing advertising practices, even though they themselves have written the book on invasive online advertisin…

Google sticks ads at the top of a search page it creates for you.

Facebook pretends that it gives you a personal blog platform but it hides and reorders your content to shove more ads at you in otherwise private feeds.

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