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Re: Sundar Pichai Responds to Apple and the FBI Hacking Request

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Post by infinite8s »

fnordfnordfnord wrote: post #66
ascagnel_ wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It may have been changed, but the headline of the linked article (as of approx. 8:30AM EST) is literally "U.S. Marshals didn't really arrest a man for missed student loan payments". Failure to appear (the reason he was arrested) has long been accepted as a reason for a judge to issue an arrest warrant. > According to a statement from the U.S. Marshals Service, Aker repeatedly refused to show up in court after being c…

>According to a statement from the U.S. Marshals Service, Aker repeatedly refused to show up in court after being contacted several times. If some one called my home on the telephone and said "I'm a US Marshal, send money to pay for a 20 year old debt." or something to that effect, I'd probably interrupt the caller to tell them to put me on their Do Not Call list and then immediately hang up the phone before they eve…

That's not how people are served court summons. It's usually done in person after the carrier confirms your identity by name.

Re: Sundar Pichai Responds to Apple and the FBI Hacking Request

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Post by nickik »

bitJericho wrote: post #23
citizensixteen wrote: post #22

This is the most concise summary I have found on the legal issues/possible ramifications concerning this case. The worry in this case is the troubling precedent it would set. https://lawfareblog.com/not-slippery-slope-jump-cliff Quotation from, Not a Slippery Slope, but a Jump off the Cliff By Nicholas Weaver. The request to Apple is accurately paraphrased as "Create malcode designed to subvert security protections,…

Stallman sounds less and less crazy every year.

Nobody ever said the danger that he was talking about are not real. However his is still a very edge position.

Re: Sundar Pichai Responds to Apple and the FBI Hacking Request

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Post by tptacek »

fnordfnordfnord wrote: post #51
rayiner wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The majority of crime is not government invented. The majority of prisoners in prison are not there for any of the crimes you list: http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=0... Besides that, the crime rate has been falling during a period coincident with aggressive policing, more incarceration, and more legal measures (RICO) to fight organized crime. While people have alternative theories for that…

Table 5 on page 17 http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/p14.pdf of this report from BJS shows that half of federal prison inmates are incarcerated for drug offenses. I'd accept the notion that some of those drug offenders may have been violent, but not all of them. I suspect the violent crime statistic from ProCon rests on the habit of police and prosecutors of escalating charges for suspects where drugs are found for…

The overwhelming majority of prisoners are in state prisons, where something like 17% of inmates are incarcerated for drug offenses. The majority of inmates are in fact incarcerated for violent crimes.

Re: Sundar Pichai Responds to Apple and the FBI Hacking Request

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Post by fnordfnordfnord »

infinite8s wrote: post #71
fnordfnordfnord wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>According to a statement from the U.S. Marshals Service, Aker repeatedly refused to show up in court after being contacted several times. If some one called my home on the telephone and said "I'm a US Marshal, send money to pay for a 20 year old debt." or something to that effect, I'd probably interrupt the caller to tell them to put me on their Do Not Call list and then immediately hang up the phone before they eve…

That's not how people are served court summons. It's usually done in person after the carrier confirms your identity by name.

I know and I found it odd that they only mentioned contacting Aker by telephone. It sounds strange, and probably isn't the whole story, but that's what my local (Houston area) station's news coverage indicated.

Re: Sundar Pichai Responds to Apple and the FBI Hacking Request

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

bcook wrote: post #38
tbrock wrote: post #18

Twitter doesn't seem like an appropriate medium for a response to this issue from a CEO of a major tech company. Hello! This isn't a picture of the burger you had for lunch or a pithy remark fest, it's the most important thing affecting your users today. Take some time and write a god damn letter with your company's stance.

Are we (HN), the intended demographic though? I personally get twitchy whenever I see a facebook or twitter link, but I also know that the times are changing, so I withhold my angry rants.

But if we don't rant, they won't know we don't think it's appropriate and stop.

Re: Sundar Pichai Responds to Apple and the FBI Hacking Request

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Post by tptacek »

nickik wrote: post #69
rayiner wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The majority of crime is not government invented. The majority of prisoners in prison are not there for any of the crimes you list: http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=0... Besides that, the crime rate has been falling during a period coincident with aggressive policing, more incarceration, and more legal measures (RICO) to fight organized crime. While people have alternative theories for that…

First many of those crime cartels could not exist without the banning of drugs, prostitution and gambling. The same goes for violent crimes in general. Large numbers of violent crimes are done by people involved in drug dealing or consuming. If drugs were legal you would not put so many people in these situations. Falling crime rates is happing all over the first world. Most countries have know-where near the policy…

Possible, but unlikely. According to a recent study, the majority of offenders are sentenced for violent offenses, and the majority of those sentenced for violent offenses have never been convicted of a drug crime.

Re: Sundar Pichai Responds to Apple and the FBI Hacking Request

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Post by nickik »

tptacek wrote: post #77
nickik wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First many of those crime cartels could not exist without the banning of drugs, prostitution and gambling. The same goes for violent crimes in general. Large numbers of violent crimes are done by people involved in drug dealing or consuming. If drugs were legal you would not put so many people in these situations. Falling crime rates is happing all over the first world. Most countries have know-where near the policy…

Possible, but unlikely. According to a recent study, the majority of offenders are sentenced for violent offenses, and the majority of those sentenced for violent offenses have never been convicted of a drug crime.

Its tricky to say, seems to me that prior conviction is not a very good metric. However I don't know any better way to figure this out either.

Re: Sundar Pichai Responds to Apple and the FBI Hacking Request

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

eunice wrote: post #57
rms_returns wrote: post #53

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Twitter is for corporates to make announcements. Facebook is for people to socialize and get in touch. Linkedin is for professionals to collaborate. Google Plus is just a general purpose communication platform. HN and Reddit are for hackers and power users to discuss things. Personally, I think Reddit/HN when combined with imgur.com serves all purposes in the world, there is no need for the other bloated stuff. But u…

I don't think it's some kind of technical barrier that prevents 'non-techies' from using reddit & imgur, it's the incredibly toxic culture

I hear this all the time, but I must never go into those areas of reddit as I never see this. The comments and feedback on the subs I subscribe to are very similar to what you might see here on HN.

I guess if one stays on the main roads and doesn't stumble into the dark alleys, he'll be ok.

Re: Sundar Pichai Responds to Apple and the FBI Hacking Request

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Post by icebraining »

peterclary wrote: post #60
icebraining wrote: post #28

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Fine, but it's custom build locked to that particular device and which Apple can install itself, without providing it to the FBI. It's certainly not "a tool for the FBI that will allow them to look at any user's data". https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2714001/SB-Shoote...

Once created, what stops the Government from obtaining a copy of the modified OS and the means to sign/encrypt it for any device? Either via some top-secret "You can't tell anyone about this or you go to jail" process, or via an agent embedded in the company?

What stops them from using those mechanisms to create it in the first place?
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