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Sundar Pichai Responds to Apple and the FBI Hacking Request

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Re: Sundar Pichai Responds to Apple and the FBI Hacking Request

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Post by fnordfnordfnord »

rayiner wrote: post #49
tomp wrote: post #37

> We know that law enforcement and intelligence agencies face significant challenges in protecting the public against crime and terrorism. Do we? Crime rate has been falling. Terrorism is a statistical bleep. The majority of "crime" is government's own invention (non-violent drug-related offenses, prostitution, civil forfeiture, arresting people because they don't pay their student loans [1] [edit: not actually true,…

The majority of crime is not government invented. The majority of prisoners in prison are not there for any of the crimes you list: http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=0... Besides that, the crime rate has been falling during a period coincident with aggressive policing, more incarceration, and more legal measures (RICO) to fight organized crime. While people have alternative theories for that…

Table 5 on page 17 http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/p14.pdf of this report from BJS shows that half of federal prison inmates are incarcerated for drug offenses. I'd accept the notion that some of those drug offenders may have been violent, but not all of them. I suspect the violent crime statistic from ProCon rests on the habit of police and prosecutors of escalating charges for suspects where drugs are found for things that wouldn't ordinarily even be criminal (such has having a weapon in one's home).

Re: Sundar Pichai Responds to Apple and the FBI Hacking Request

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Post by yoz-y »

shiftoutbox wrote: post #42

Was this a complete thought ? Also if the user posts something like this on facebook does it carry less gravitas then Twitter . Can we stop giving Twitter comments some mystical value .

Comments from Google CEO on an extremely pressing issue have value regardless of the medium where they are posted. Twitter just happens to be the place where such discussions often happen.

Re: Sundar Pichai Responds to Apple and the FBI Hacking Request

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Post by rms_returns »

skybrian wrote: post #24
tbrock wrote: post #18

Twitter doesn't seem like an appropriate medium for a response to this issue from a CEO of a major tech company. Hello! This isn't a picture of the burger you had for lunch or a pithy remark fest, it's the most important thing affecting your users today. Take some time and write a god damn letter with your company's stance.

Weird that it wasn't on Google+.

Twitter is for corporates to make announcements. Facebook is for people to socialize and get in touch. Linkedin is for professionals to collaborate. Google Plus is just a general purpose communication platform. HN and Reddit are for hackers and power users to discuss things.

Personally, I think Reddit/HN when combined with imgur.com serves all purposes in the world, there is no need for the other bloated stuff. But unfortunately, non-techies are going to be non-techies, they will never understand what is minimalism and elegance, may God help them see the light of truth, amen.

Re: Sundar Pichai Responds to Apple and the FBI Hacking Request

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Post by yoz-y »

tobylane wrote: post #32
yuhong wrote: post #5

I really wish the restrictions can be reduced or removed so @pmarca etc can tweet more on the companies of which they are the directors of. Same for the CEOs itself, and CEOs and other executives should be allowed to tweet at board of directors and vice versa.

Google owns blogpost. Google has several blogs there. Surely it'd be a vote of confidence for him to use it?

But then nobody would read it. Go where your public is.

Re: Sundar Pichai Responds to Apple and the FBI Hacking Request

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Post by jessaustin »

rayiner wrote: post #49
tomp wrote: post #37

> We know that law enforcement and intelligence agencies face significant challenges in protecting the public against crime and terrorism. Do we? Crime rate has been falling. Terrorism is a statistical bleep. The majority of "crime" is government's own invention (non-violent drug-related offenses, prostitution, civil forfeiture, arresting people because they don't pay their student loans [1] [edit: not actually true,…

The majority of crime is not government invented. The majority of prisoners in prison are not there for any of the crimes you list: http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=0... Besides that, the crime rate has been falling during a period coincident with aggressive policing, more incarceration, and more legal measures (RICO) to fight organized crime. While people have alternative theories for that…

In fairness, one could consider the "public order" "crimes" listed there to also be inventions of the state. Are legislative or prosecutorial inventiveness implicated in the increase of those from 1.9% to 13.8% of the total in less than 40 years? Over a period during which violent crime dropped precipitously, they had to do something to justify the constant construction of new prisons.

Re: Sundar Pichai Responds to Apple and the FBI Hacking Request

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Post by eunice »

rms_returns wrote: post #53
skybrian wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird that it wasn't on Google+.

Twitter is for corporates to make announcements. Facebook is for people to socialize and get in touch. Linkedin is for professionals to collaborate. Google Plus is just a general purpose communication platform. HN and Reddit are for hackers and power users to discuss things. Personally, I think Reddit/HN when combined with imgur.com serves all purposes in the world, there is no need for the other bloated stuff. But u…

I don't think it's some kind of technical barrier that prevents 'non-techies' from using reddit & imgur, it's the incredibly toxic culture

Re: Sundar Pichai Responds to Apple and the FBI Hacking Request

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Post by ascagnel_ »

tomp wrote: post #37

> We know that law enforcement and intelligence agencies face significant challenges in protecting the public against crime and terrorism. Do we? Crime rate has been falling. Terrorism is a statistical bleep. The majority of "crime" is government's own invention (non-violent drug-related offenses, prostitution, civil forfeiture, arresting people because they don't pay their student loans [1] [edit: not actually true,…

It may have been changed, but the headline of the linked article (as of approx. 8:30AM EST) is literally "U.S. Marshals didn't really arrest a man for missed student loan payments". Failure to appear (the reason he was arrested) has long been accepted as a reason for a judge to issue an arrest warrant.

> According to a statement from the U.S. Marshals Service, Aker repeatedly refused to show up in court after being contacted several times. The agency said Aker told them by phone he would not appear in court to answer the summons. Disobeying a court order is a criminal offense. Within a few months, the judge issued a warrant for his arrest, which the U.S. Marshals carried out. So, yes, Aker was arrested, but not just because he owed a little student loan debt. He was arrested for disobeying a court order.

Re: Sundar Pichai Responds to Apple and the FBI Hacking Request

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Post by aljones »

yoz-y wrote: post #54
tobylane wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google owns blogpost. Google has several blogs there. Surely it'd be a vote of confidence for him to use it?

But then nobody would read it. Go where your public is.

This is why we invented links. Something can be posted on twitter without twitter being the primary source.

Re: Sundar Pichai Responds to Apple and the FBI Hacking Request

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Post by peterclary »

icebraining wrote: post #28
rhizome wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think Apple has been asked to build a tool, just to help unlock a single device Aside from the non-sequitur, what Apple has been asked for is a custom build of iOS.

Fine, but it's custom build locked to that particular device and which Apple can install itself, without providing it to the FBI. It's certainly not "a tool for the FBI that will allow them to look at any user's data". https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2714001/SB-Shoote...

Once created, what stops the Government from obtaining a copy of the modified OS and the means to sign/encrypt it for any device? Either via some top-secret "You can't tell anyone about this or you go to jail" process, or via an agent embedded in the company?
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