It's great to see established companies experiment with OSS. The issue I see is that they make their projects go live/public a little bit late to be usable 'as is'. By the time they open source their tooling, the stack maybe out of synch with the latest and greatest. Just the fact OneOps is using nagios checks for monitoring tells you a lot.
OneOps – Open-source cloud ops platform from Walmart
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Re: OneOps – Open-source cloud ops platform from Walmart
#72it's looks like just control panel for all your clouds. If you have only aws, i don't see any profit of using this.
As your business grows at some point it may be cheaper to run your own cloud (OpenStack or something else), and you can start migrating your workloads with a PaaS layer like this. At my previous employer the loaded TCO for running in-house OpenStack was 45-50% of AWS (the company used both).
Are you sure about that? Did you factor in power?
Re: OneOps – Open-source cloud ops platform from Walmart
#73"Accelerating product delivery in the Digital Economy through Continuous Application Lifecycle Management of Cloud-based Workload, backed by @WalmartLabs" I think you could work on that elevator pitch a little - it seems like it's been workshopped by a committee, and doesn't really tell me anything.
I think they forgot to capitalize Product Delivery (?). Someone fix it and submit a pull request.
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Thank you. Now that you've summarized this, this sounds like a great idea, a good way to kill lock-in on cloud platforms. I don't know why they couldn't write something so simple and concise...
...kill lock-in, as long as everyone in the whole world acts like an OpenStack interface. Not interested.
They have to start somewhere don't they?
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Its a Multi-Cloud Orchestrator. It lets you abstract multiple cloud providers, so you can say use Azure, S3 , Rackspace Openstack, your own openstack and your own VMware all at the same time, and have unified management. At the moment it supports any cloud with a OpenStack endpoint/integration. Blog post: http://www.walmartlabs.com/2016/01/oneops-now-available/
So it's like Deltacloud? ( https://deltacloud.apache.org/ )
Probably more like Apache Brooklyn https://brooklyn.apache.org/
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open source or not, they should follow the best practices, these don't. The fact is, really old open source cookbooks have been copy pasted, with the maintainers names changed, and hacked on top of. For example, the MySQL cookbook. This is against the apache2 licence that they were originally distributed under.
Sure, maybe at a company with enough resources to throw at code quality, but this is Walmart we're talking about.
How much profit do they make a year? :/
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Does that not mean that you can then only use the common aspects from the various cloud providers, and miss out on the additional features each supports?
That's the difference between startup and big environment. Bells and whistles are nice, but handcuff you. If you need a 10 year business plan for a service, you need to limit your choices. I have systems with 40 year history that need to retain data for 30 year into the future. Different thinking.
Honest questions, if you don't mind:
- What types of systems are these?
- When you say "40 year history", do you mean the system was originally written in the 70's, or do you mean it has data going back to then?
- Why do you need to keep data for 30 years? Regulatory reasons? Reporting? Or just long-lived data?
I'm not doubting anything you're saying. It's easy to imagine systems with those attributes, say, in banking, insurance, legal records, etc. I'm just curious about your specific case. :)
Long after the logic of your system has been replaced, the data will live on. It's something I think people tend to undervalue.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's the difference between startup and big environment. Bells and whistles are nice, but handcuff you. If you need a 10 year business plan for a service, you need to limit your choices. I have systems with 40 year history that need to retain data for 30 year into the future. Different thinking.
Honest questions, if you don't mind: - What types of systems are these? - When you say "40 year history", do you mean the system was originally written in the 70's, or do you mean it has data going back to then? - Why do you need to keep data for 30 years? Regulatory reasons? Reporting? Or just long-lived data? I'm not doubting anything you're saying. It's easy to imagine systems with those attributes, say, in bankin…
No problem -- I'm really passionate about this topic!
.gov stuff. Every state in the union has social services systems that were stood up in the 60s and 70s, and have or are being transitioned over time from whatever mainframe they were in to modern stuff.
Usually the long term stuff is retained. These folks deal with situations like disabled children who become wards of the state. Their records need to exist well until those children are in their 40s.
Thats just one example -- Public works projects are built with 50+ year lifespans, and many of those records are expected to exist for at least that long.
There's also a whole historical responsibility thing that I think will become more important. You can develop a deep understanding of how a governor or Mayor made certain decisions going back to the American revolution (my county has records of the legislative body from the Dutch colonial period). Digitalization has erased a lot of that -- in many cases we cannot read data from the 1980s.
I think issues like this are already starting to appear on a small/personal scale -- when my grandfather died in 1980s, all of his business records, personal records, pictures, etc were on paper somewhere in his home. You could sift through and keep important things. What do you do when the only protection your data in Dropbox/et al is one missed credit card transaction away from oblivion?
Re: OneOps – Open-source cloud ops platform from Walmart
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
As your business grows at some point it may be cheaper to run your own cloud (OpenStack or something else), and you can start migrating your workloads with a PaaS layer like this. At my previous employer the loaded TCO for running in-house OpenStack was 45-50% of AWS (the company used both).
Are you sure about that? Did you factor in power?
"Loaded TCO" means gear, space, power, cooling, transit, people... Those are high-level, and I don't remember a bunch of things that went into the 5-year TCO model but it was complex.
If you have the talent and scale it's certainly doable, and like I said, we were at less than half of AWS. There are plenty of examples, one that comes to mind that is NOT hyper-scale is Server Fault.
Re: OneOps – Open-source cloud ops platform from Walmart
#80No Python support. Moving on.
You might want to take a look at https://github.com/StackStorm/st2 if you want python support, chatops, UI, a GUI editor for writing workflows and a strong community. Disclaimer: I am a programmer at StackStorm. I'd be happy to help.
I love stackstorm, and chatops, but don't quite see how it's comparable to this cloud project.