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Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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Post by czinck » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 7:17 PM UTC

ripberge wrote: post #58

Nadya wrote: post #41

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Until some beard oil company finds a way to sue Dollar Beard Club. ;) https://www.dollarbeardclub.com/

Wouldn't be surprised if Dollar Shave Club brings some legal action against Dollar Beard Club. They have copied them to such a degree with their name and their advertising it is creating confusion in the marketplace. And that's kind of a litmus test for trademark infringement from what I remember in my business law classes.

Wow, I assumed until your comment they were the same company. Kind of like how Enterprise has (or had) both rent-a-car and rent-a-van for moving, a slight tweak to the actual deliverable but same infrastructure/whatever, I assumed DSC owned DBC.

Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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Post by Someone1234 » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 7:19 PM UTC

RUG3Y wrote: post #70

Someone1234 wrote: post #23

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I assume by "old fashioned" you mean a safety razor, not a straight razor. Safety razors are indeniably cheaper long term (although expect to pay $100 ish to get a good handle, brush, bowl, blades, and soap). You'll likely break even after ten years (assuming $1.50 cartridges Vs. 10c blades). You'll also likely receive a closer shave with a safety razor. That being said... I did the whole safety razor thing. It was f…

I don't know where you're getting your $100 from. A cheap handle cost me $15.00, is perfectly functional. I've been using the same one for 5 years. I buy blades at 2 - 5 cents apiece on Amazon, and they last me the same amount of time that a more expensive quadruple blade costs. It doesn't take me 10 minutes to lather either, and I've used both shaving cream and shave soap without problems. I have an extremely heavy…

By buying stuff of reasonable quality. A good animal hair brush could set you back $30+ alone.

$100 isn't at all unusual for many starter sets.

Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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Post by Someone1234 » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 7:21 PM UTC

OopsCriticality wrote: post #54

Someone1234 wrote: post #23

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I assume by "old fashioned" you mean a safety razor, not a straight razor. Safety razors are indeniably cheaper long term (although expect to pay $100 ish to get a good handle, brush, bowl, blades, and soap). You'll likely break even after ten years (assuming $1.50 cartridges Vs. 10c blades). You'll also likely receive a closer shave with a safety razor. That being said... I did the whole safety razor thing. It was f…

> Unfortunately creating a good thick lather can easily take ten minutes. Is it possible that you have hard water?

> Is it possible that you have hard water?

It isn't only possible, it is a certainty.

But I am talking about lathering at the start (5 ish minutes) and then several times as you shave to keep the lather in good order (1 minute here, 1 minute there, etc). Otherwise the lather goes flat half way through your face.

Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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Post by scott_karana » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 7:25 PM UTC

mattthebaker wrote: post #44

Someone1234 wrote: post #25

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But Dorco sell them in the US[0]. [0] http://www.dorcousa.com/

It says on that site they are only a distributor. They probably aren't moving enough units for Gillette to care about them. DSC on the other hand...

No, you can order directly from Dorco USA and get their razors shipped to your door. I've done it, and the single price points and "add to cart" buttons should make that clear too. :)

"Distributor" might be a mistranslation or imprecisely phrased.

Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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Post by Someone1234 » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 7:25 PM UTC

alistairSH wrote: post #60

Someone1234 wrote: post #34

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The most expensive way to buy blades ever... Mach3 Turbo: $3.50/blade ($2.09 on Amazon S&S). Fusion: $4.50/blade ($3.17 on Amazon S&S). ProGlide: $4.90/blade ($2.61 on Amazon S&S). And since I am comparing it to Amazon's Subscribe & Save, both include delivery and the same level of convenience.

Wow! People actually pay that much to shave? Name brand, 2 blade disposables are a about $1.25/unit on Amazon.

I wouldn't use twin blade disposables to shave my arse (literally and figuratively).

You pay more for the gel strip, and comfort of excess blades. Safety razors are a legitimate alternative to cartridges, disposables are generally terrible compared to either one.

Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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Post by rhino369 » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 7:26 PM UTC

swang wrote: post #5

Anyone shed some light on whether there is any validity, or is it just Gillette trying to scare DSC and their customers?

The patent is US 6,684,513 and they are currently asserting claims 1,8, 15-17, 19-20, 23, 28-29, 31, and 34-37.

http://www.google.com/patents/US6684513

Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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Post by rtkwe » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 7:42 PM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #25

rtkwe wrote: post #17

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If Dorco is manufacturing out side of the US or anywhere that P&G's patent is valid and not selling them into a valid country P&G can't really sue Dorco. At that point Dorco isn't violating anything it's the company that imports them that is the first point something is really being violated. edit: typo and pronoun vagueness.

But Dorco sell them in the US[0]. [0] http://www.dorcousa.com/

Maybe they're not selling razors there that violate P&G's patent inside the US only to markets outside the reach of the US patent? I don't know which product lines are actually in violation of the patent.

Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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Post by meatcar » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 7:44 PM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #72

RUG3Y wrote: post #70

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I don't know where you're getting your $100 from. A cheap handle cost me $15.00, is perfectly functional. I've been using the same one for 5 years. I buy blades at 2 - 5 cents apiece on Amazon, and they last me the same amount of time that a more expensive quadruple blade costs. It doesn't take me 10 minutes to lather either, and I've used both shaving cream and shave soap without problems. I have an extremely heavy…

By buying stuff of reasonable quality. A good animal hair brush could set you back $30+ alone. $100 isn't at all unusual for many starter sets.

An Omega boar bristle brush goes for https://www.reddit.com/r/wicked_edge/wiki/brushes#wiki_boar_.... I just throw it in the sink for a soak before I hop in the shower.

As with most things, it's easy to get sucked in and blow $100s on your setup, but you don't have to. I spent <$50 to get started.

Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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Post by kelukelugames » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 7:45 PM UTC

mikeash wrote: post #49

kelukelugames wrote: post #29

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Is "butthurt" homophobic or not? I didn't think it was but now people claim it is. So I might retire the term.

I've never even heard of such a thing. Suggesting that "butthurt" is homophobic seems way more homophobic than the term itself ever could be. Like gay people have a monopoly on butts?

I always thought it meant sore loser, but if someone interprets it differently then it's a trip to the HR office. :/

Re: P&G’s Gillette Sues Dollar Shave Club

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Post by OopsCriticality » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 7:51 PM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #73

OopsCriticality wrote: post #54

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> Unfortunately creating a good thick lather can easily take ten minutes. Is it possible that you have hard water?

> Is it possible that you have hard water? It isn't only possible, it is a certainty. But I am talking about lathering at the start (5 ish minutes) and then several times as you shave to keep the lather in good order (1 minute here, 1 minute there, etc). Otherwise the lather goes flat half way through your face.

Wow, I'm at a total loss to explain why my own experience differs so greatly from yours: using ToBS cream, I've got lather in half a minute and I've lathered, stropped, shaved, and cleaned up in 10… chalk it up to the diversity of human experiences I suppose.

Out of curiosity, did you ever try using distilled water? Alternatively, did you by chance give any of the traditional brushless products out there, like Musgo, a try? I use it while traveling and have had good luck with it.