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Re: Prebake: Block EU Cookie Notices with Adblock

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Post by cpeterso »

liam_ja wrote: post #15

Hi HN, I'm the creator of this filter list. If anyone can spare 5-10 minutes a week to help me and a couple of others maintain this list (testing and merging pull requests, closing issues, etc.), I'd be very appreciative! You can contact me here or send an email to cookies[at]prebake[dot]eu

If an extension like Prebake (which I realize just a filter list) added a 'DNT: 0' HTTP header (Do Track instead of Do Not Track), then automatically dismissing cookie notices would be a "legitimate" new solution and not be "cheating" (as some might call it). If the user also runs a ad or tracker blocker, well, that's their business and a different problem. ;)

Re: Prebake: Block EU Cookie Notices with Adblock

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Post by foobuzz »

This law is so badly designed it is beautiful.

It warns users who don't accept cookies that the website uses cookies, at every connexion. It doesn't warn users who accept them that they're used, putting aside the first connexion.

It should be the other way around. The website should warn the user that a cookie is used when the website just accepted a cookie from the browser. The privacy concern happen at this very moment, when you phone back to the website, not when the website phones you information.

Re: Prebake: Block EU Cookie Notices with Adblock

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Post by DavideNL »

andrewaylett wrote: post #69

I've been using a different filter list[1] for more than a year, and it's really useful as I already use self-destructing-cookies[2] to exercise control over which cookies my browser will remember, meaning that pretty much all sites think I've never visited before and therefore try to annoy me with their cookie banner. [1]: https://github.com/r4vi/block-the-eu-cookie-shit-list [2]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/fi…

> meaning that pretty much all sites think I've never visited before

True, but also not True (unfortunately), because the websites can identify you anyway by your fingerprint: https://panopticlick.eff.org

Re: Prebake: Block EU Cookie Notices with Adblock

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Post by DavideNL »

It seems uBlock (Safari 9) doesn't recognise this when i add it to the 3th party filters/custom URLs - when i click "parse" i don't get to see a new row with a checkbox. example:

this works: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/r4vi/block-the-eu-cookie-s...

this doesn't work: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/liamja/Prebake/master/obtr...

Re: Prebake: Block EU Cookie Notices with Adblock

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Post by Donzo »

coob wrote: post #42
dom96 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn't agree more with this. The fact that the cookie law is forced on websites is absolutely idiotic. The browsers know what cookies are being set.

Is it actually enforced? Has anyone been taken to court over it?

Google has recently been sending out warnings to AdSense publishers who serve content to the EU that they will receive a violation if they are not serving these cookie notices.

This accounts for the seeming uptick in cookie notices. To my knowledge, Google has not enforced this in the past.

My solution was to use CloudFlare to get geotags and PHP to serve the warning to only to those who live in the EU, but to each his own.

Re: Prebake: Block EU Cookie Notices with Adblock

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Post by facepalm »

belorn wrote: post #53
facepalm wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank god, ehm, the lawyers: otherwise we would not just have annoying banners, every page would start with an blocking dialog. No thanks.

You assume that every page need to have tracking cookies or that a websites would choose to have a blocking dialog if that was required in order to store and accessing information on users’ equipment. Even if we do those assumptions, its not a good result for anyone and there need to be some peace rather than war between the industry and politics, and making the concept of consent meaningless is a very risky move goi…

Afaik you need it if you use Google Adwords. Not sure if Adwords could be changed in a compliant way.

I recently started out to implement the cookie header on my site, and discovered things are rather unclear. For example, couldn't Google somehow get global consent for all Google Ads?

There also doesn't seem to be a way to ask for consent and only trigger Google Ads if consent is given.

Maybe there are some things that Google could improve to alleviate the situation. But advertising probably also depends on at least a little bit of tracking.

If they (the politicians) want to outlaw online advertising, maybe they should just say so directly?

Re: Prebake: Block EU Cookie Notices with Adblock

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Post by kuschku »

mtgx wrote: post #62
Udo wrote: post #7

This whole thing is ridiculous. While adding these widgets to blocking filters seems like a workable short-term solution, the entire cookie notice scheme is unworkable in the long run. The problem is, this crap will stack up in the future, and none of it will ever get abolished. On some sites, I get a triple-stacked legalese warning banner, and I have to manually close all three of them. Since internet law will only…

This reminds me there was a push for a 451 error that would represent censorship. Whatever happened to that? https://boingboing.net/2012/06/13/error-code-451-an-http-err...

It is being used the way it is supposed to: http://i.imgur.com/x2oG6hq.png

Re: Prebake: Block EU Cookie Notices with Adblock

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Post by tdkl »

DavideNL wrote: post #74

It seems uBlock (Safari 9) doesn't recognise this when i add it to the 3th party filters/custom URLs - when i click "parse" i don't get to see a new row with a checkbox. example: this works: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/r4vi/block-the-eu-cookie-s... this doesn't work: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/liamja/Prebake/master/obtr...

True, although it's already in the 3rd party list and you can just enable it there.

Re: Prebake: Block EU Cookie Notices with Adblock

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Post by efdee »

blub wrote: post #39
benihana wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They could always stop using privacy-invading ad networks and external services which track users and then they wouldn't have to show any message. "if these companies would just invent and build a new infrastructure to pay the bills, they wouldn't need to present a nag."

EU citizens are under no obligation to support business models that have a negative effect (be it small or large) on their lives, nor are they obliged to make it technically convenient for companies to conduct their business. There are many business models which do not come with moral dilemmas and that do not fall under the incidence of this law. Data mining and tracking might be trendy, but it's not a free for all,…

You seem to be ignoring the fact that this is about users not wanting to see that silly notice, not about websites not wanting to display it.

Re: Prebake: Block EU Cookie Notices with Adblock

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Post by vilhelm_s »

dom96 wrote: post #38
mstade wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Frankly, the requirement of notice could (and should) be pushed on to user agents – not sites. For one, it would help standardize both the user experience of notices – and leave the UX of website specific notices alone – but also it would improve the current state of things where many (most?) sites in the EU simply don't care or know about the legislation. The last thing we need is more cruft sent across the wire.

Couldn't agree more with this. The fact that the cookie law is forced on websites is absolutely idiotic. The browsers know what cookies are being set.

But the browser doesn't know why it's set. The idea of the law is to distinguish between cookies which are used for the operation of the site (e.g. login cookies) and the ones that are not (mostly advertising tracking). You only need to give notice about the latter.
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