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Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by jqm »

dao- wrote: post #55
jqm wrote: post #42

Maybe if the great powers weren't so busy playing geo-political chess by proxy there wouldn't be so many refugees. Syria was fairly stable before the west decided Assad should go. Syria was fairly stable before the west destabilized Iraq. This is the problem.

edit: accidentally submitted too early, sorry. Syria was fairly stable until its people made demands and their leader responded with gun fire. Not sure where you see the role of "the West" in that escalation. Do you think the problem was that the West sneakily infected Syrian people with the absurd idea that they could have the same rights as people elsewhere? Or maybe that the West failed to support Syrian rebels wh…

Most Syrians supported Assad. Also, many of the militant revolutionaries were imported from other countries and supported/trained by foreign powers including the gulf states. Now we have ISIS which is simply an extension of that program that has maybe gotten a bit out of control.

Foreign meddling caused this problem. Very simply.

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by mrdodge »

jacobush wrote: post #59
mrdodge wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These people will not be net contributors to the system.

I don't know about Germany but the average immigrant coming to Sweden currently has more education than the general population in Sweden. (11.5 years vs 11)

They are also unemployed at a far higher rate than the natives and cause many times for crime. Equating education levels from a broken state to Western European education levels is a false equivalency as well.

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Post by hnpc123 »

jqm wrote: post #42

Maybe if the great powers weren't so busy playing geo-political chess by proxy there wouldn't be so many refugees. Syria was fairly stable before the west decided Assad should go. Syria was fairly stable before the west destabilized Iraq. This is the problem.

So what you're saying is that Arabs are too simple and stupid to make their own decisions about what they want and what actions to take.

Must be white people driving the events in Syria.

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Post by caseysoftware »

ashleyp wrote: post #54
treenyc wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can be responsible, and it doesn't has to be in the way that allows 'refugees' into your country. People in each country ought to have a choice in that.

True - there's still ways of helping without that. But what's the fear about letting refugees into the country? Why are people so scared of this? (genuine question =)) It seems to me the only countries whom are scared are the ones who think they're the best, greatest and fear loosing that status. This sounds like idk...country ego? lol.

> Why cares who's responsible? They're humans. Arn't we all responsible for all humans on the planet?

How many homeless people do you let crash at your place each night?

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Post by mrdodge »

jacobush wrote: post #66
circuiter wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_W... Their nearby brethren have already taken in MILLIONS of refugees. It took only a few hundred thousand in Europe for the media circus to begin and for their plight to be put in the spotlight.

Lebanon took a million and a half or thereabouts.

And look how that is turning out for them.

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Post by [deleted] »

hnpc123 wrote: post #73
jqm wrote: post #42

Maybe if the great powers weren't so busy playing geo-political chess by proxy there wouldn't be so many refugees. Syria was fairly stable before the west decided Assad should go. Syria was fairly stable before the west destabilized Iraq. This is the problem.

So what you're saying is that Arabs are too simple and stupid to make their own decisions about what they want and what actions to take. Must be white people driving the events in Syria.

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Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by ryanlol »

ashleyp wrote: post #29
candl wrote: post #23

It "amazes" me why these "refugees" flock to Germany or Great Britain and not to their very wealthy brethren in countries such as Kuwaii, Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Arab Emirates, etc... Same culture, same religion and they are much closer! It also amazes me why the EU leaders insist for other European countries to accept these "refugees" when the majority of EU countries is not responsible for this situation at all…

Why cares who's responsible? They're humans. Arn't we all responsible for all humans on the planet?

Why would I be responsible for people I don't even know? If I help somebody it's out of kindness, not responsibility.

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Post by progx »

jacobush wrote: post #59
mrdodge wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These people will not be net contributors to the system.

I don't know about Germany but the average immigrant coming to Sweden currently has more education than the general population in Sweden. (11.5 years vs 11)

People that emigrate to Sweden or fleeing People? And how good is the education, the study time give no conclusion about that?

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Post by cylinder »

thomasfoster96 wrote: post #65
cylinder wrote: post #13

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70k per year is hundreds per day. And then there's all the asylum seekers on top of that as well as the massive undocumented migrations across the southern border. If Germany were an island it would do the same kind of processing. There's nothing wrong with examining a person for a year before letting them settle in your country. The system has worked well thus far, why bust it up?

> There's nothing wrong with examining a person for a year before letting them settle in your country. The system has worked well thus far, why bust it up? The Australian government just got given yet another report telling them that this attitude is dangerous. Most estimates from reviews of Australia's current system (intake is in the tens of thousands, however arrivals by boat are processed offshore in Nauru or PNG…

That's because they are being kept in internment camps in third-world islands. Not quite the same thing as waiting in Vienna.

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Post by musha68k »

candl wrote: post #23

It "amazes" me why these "refugees" flock to Germany or Great Britain and not to their very wealthy brethren in countries such as Kuwaii, Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Arab Emirates, etc... Same culture, same religion and they are much closer! It also amazes me why the EU leaders insist for other European countries to accept these "refugees" when the majority of EU countries is not responsible for this situation at all…

We could all end up being dependent on the solidarity of others ourselves - it's all about love and understanding :) ️
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