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Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by ashleyp »

gambiting wrote: post #44
candl wrote: post #23

It "amazes" me why these "refugees" flock to Germany or Great Britain and not to their very wealthy brethren in countries such as Kuwaii, Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Arab Emirates, etc... Same culture, same religion and they are much closer! It also amazes me why the EU leaders insist for other European countries to accept these "refugees" when the majority of EU countries is not responsible for this situation at all…

I don't think any country has to be responsible for anything in order to accept refugees, do you? If you are fleeing from war, then you should be able to apply for asylum/refugee status everywhere. Doesn't mean that every country should accept them,but the implication that EU countries are not responsible for the conflict so they shouldn't help out is.....weird. Maybe EU shouldn't be sending help to people affected b…

THANKYOU for articulating what I was REALLY struggling to do!

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by zerr »

candl wrote: post #23

It "amazes" me why these "refugees" flock to Germany or Great Britain and not to their very wealthy brethren in countries such as Kuwaii, Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Arab Emirates, etc... Same culture, same religion and they are much closer! It also amazes me why the EU leaders insist for other European countries to accept these "refugees" when the majority of EU countries is not responsible for this situation at all…

We (Europeans) never bothered about cultural and religious closeness when we were occupying, colonizing and sucking goods from them, did we?

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by gambiting »

estefan wrote: post #17
djm_ wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thankfully, I don't think people with an attitude like that would take them in the first place.

Part of my job is contingency planning... The obvious thought is how nice and kind this all is, but what if after the 2 week honeymoon period you want the person to move out? It can happen with friends when someone needs to crash for a few weeks/month or so and people get tired of not living their normal lives, so why not with a stranger? If that person has literally nowhere else to go and no money, are you really go…

Well, unless you are 10 years old, you need to know how to accept responsibility. If you accept someone to live under your roof, you need to plan for a situation when they can't/won't move out. Similar to adopting a child - if you get tired of being a parent after two weeks, you can't just give the child back.

I know some people who would be ok with living with a refugee. I know some people who wouldn't. I'm one of them too. But I think it's alright either way.

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by thomasfoster96 »

cylinder wrote: post #13
sschueller wrote: post #6

I would like to see the US step up its process to accept refugees. Currently it takes 18 to 24 months for refuges to be able to get on a plane the US. The US has agreed to accept up to 70k refugees yet at this rate it will take for ever while Germany has hundreds of new refuges per day. [1] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/11/us-accept-thous...

70k per year is hundreds per day. And then there's all the asylum seekers on top of that as well as the massive undocumented migrations across the southern border. If Germany were an island it would do the same kind of processing. There's nothing wrong with examining a person for a year before letting them settle in your country. The system has worked well thus far, why bust it up?

> There's nothing wrong with examining a person for a year before letting them settle in your country. The system has worked well thus far, why bust it up?

The Australian government just got given yet another report telling them that this attitude is dangerous. Most estimates from reviews of Australia's current system (intake is in the tens of thousands, however arrivals by boat are processed offshore in Nauru or PNG) is that the timeframe from someone seeking assylum to being declined/accepted needs to be about three months or less - any longer and mental health takes a serious toll and children end up being behind in education.

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by jacobush »

circuiter wrote: post #58
candl wrote: post #23

It "amazes" me why these "refugees" flock to Germany or Great Britain and not to their very wealthy brethren in countries such as Kuwaii, Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Arab Emirates, etc... Same culture, same religion and they are much closer! It also amazes me why the EU leaders insist for other European countries to accept these "refugees" when the majority of EU countries is not responsible for this situation at all…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_W... Their nearby brethren have already taken in MILLIONS of refugees. It took only a few hundred thousand in Europe for the media circus to begin and for their plight to be put in the spotlight.

Lebanon took a million and a half or thereabouts.

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Post by paganel »

candl wrote: post #23

It "amazes" me why these "refugees" flock to Germany or Great Britain and not to their very wealthy brethren in countries such as Kuwaii, Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Arab Emirates, etc... Same culture, same religion and they are much closer! It also amazes me why the EU leaders insist for other European countries to accept these "refugees" when the majority of EU countries is not responsible for this situation at all…

> European countries to accept these "refugees" when the majority of EU countries is not responsible for this situation at all.

I'll pass over the casual xenophobia implicit in your post (just for you info, Lebanon has over 1 million Syrian refugees for a population of ~4.5 million, Jordan has ~600,000 refugees for a population of ~8 million), I just want to mention how the whole Middle East fuck-up is the result of the post-WW1 partitions, for which the UK and France are hugely responsible. I'll also copy-paste this from the wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_involvement_in_the_Syr...):

> On 19 September 2013, French President François Hollande hinted that France was ready to begin supplying lethal aid to the Free Syrian Army during a press conference in Bamako in a "controlled framework". Hollande told the conference that "On delivering weapons we have always said that we want to control these supplies so that they do indeed go to the Free Syrian Army ... because they represent the Syrian National Coalition that we recognise as the legitimate representative of the Syrian people and today they are caught between a hammer and an anvil. The hammer is the air strikes and actions of the Syrian regime and the anvil is radical Islam.

Two years later it turns out that the FSA is almost an empty shell (with the partial exception of the southern region around Daraa - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Southern_Syria_offensive), and the forces now fighting Assad in Syria are mostly Islamist, from Al Nusra (the local Al Qaeda branch) to the Islamic Front. So what Hollande was suggesting was something along the lines of "let's bomb Assad and help this other bad guys instead".

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by mrdodge »

ashleyp wrote: post #64
mrdodge wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you state this like it's a truth?

You don't think they're Humans?

That we are responsible for them.

They are responsible for themselves, they understand that, that's why they go to the most generous countries.

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by caseysoftware »

sschueller wrote: post #6

I would like to see the US step up its process to accept refugees. Currently it takes 18 to 24 months for refuges to be able to get on a plane the US. The US has agreed to accept up to 70k refugees yet at this rate it will take for ever while Germany has hundreds of new refuges per day. [1] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/11/us-accept-thous...

Correction: Germany is believed to handle thousands per day, just as Hungary has handled more than 2k/day throughout August: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/01/trains-of-refug...

As a country of 80M people (Germany), they can probably handle quite a few but there's a point when the demographic shift is going to be.. unpleasant. Most immigrants don't leave their old practices behind and in most cases, that's not a big deal. This group of immigrant isn't Christian or areligious (most of Europe is one of the two) and doesn't hold similar views of [choose: women, society, gays, religion, etc, etc], so there already are and will continue to be clashes.

Hopefully those groups assimilate into the common German belief/societal structures but history says that with big enough numbers, they won't have to..

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by mcmalloc »

sschueller wrote: post #6

I would like to see the US step up its process to accept refugees. Currently it takes 18 to 24 months for refuges to be able to get on a plane the US. The US has agreed to accept up to 70k refugees yet at this rate it will take for ever while Germany has hundreds of new refuges per day. [1] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/11/us-accept-thous...

We have our own continent to deal with. We already have hundreds of thousands of refugees coming to the US from central/south America every year. How many refugees are we supposed to accept anyway?
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