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Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by PeterStuer »

Aurornis wrote: post #517
PeterStuer wrote: post #341

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For real production I find the switching cost is not as trivial as you portray. Even going to a new model version in the same model family, say GPT-4o to GPT-5.2, a transition I just finished on a not too complicated application, requires extensive retesting and tweaking of prompts, guardrails and parameters.

SOTA models are typically used for interactive coding and other human in the loop work > say GPT-4o to GPT-5.2, a transition I just finished on a not too complicated application Neither of which is close to SOTA, because tasks like these are typically built on a cost conscious manner which tries to keep token costs in check. I’m primarily responding to all of the commenters who are acting like nobody is going to use…

My development platform of choice is Opus 4.8 --effort max. My 'in production' general model just switched from GPT-4o to GPT-5.2. I probably should test local inference for that part (some translation/knowledge extraction/summerization) next but it has not made it to the top of the priority list yet, even though 3 other small specialized task models in the app already run on prem.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by PeterStuer »

jcims wrote: post #412
PeterStuer wrote: post #341

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For real production I find the switching cost is not as trivial as you portray. Even going to a new model version in the same model family, say GPT-4o to GPT-5.2, a transition I just finished on a not too complicated application, requires extensive retesting and tweaking of prompts, guardrails and parameters.

Vendor diversity is a longstanding risk management principle. For it to work you need to invest in it as you build, not when the rug is pulled.

100% agreed, and I do experiment, but it is atm just a question of where to put the effort first.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by burnerRhodov3 »

squidbeak wrote: post #542
burnerRhodov3 wrote: post #535

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Europe seems to be going through an identity crisis lately, and i hope this sentiment doesn't continue. Europe becoming more reliant on the Chinese is not the answer, and will, if continues, isolate the EU from the US.

Europe may face technological and economic challenges, but one thing it isn't suffering is 'an identity' crisis - except in the daydreams of right wing propagandists. The EU's identity is represented in its charter and the various treaties behind it. > Europe becoming more reliant on the Chinese is not the answer, and will, if continues, isolate the EU from the US There are sound reasons to avoid reliance on China, b…

Look, i've lived in Europe for years. My wife is from switzerland. But what's with this rhetoric? It's one thing if a democratically elected president who will be out in 2 years is something you hate on... but it's turned from that. It seems every European consintely berates us, from a fundamentally level now. I won't defend trump, but what has threatening annexation of greenland done? Billions in additional military buildup, which is good for both our economies. What has threatening to leave Nato done? Billions in additional military buildup... Nato membership requires 2% of GDP to be spent on military, and until recently, very few memberstates fulfilled those requirements. Sometimes force and fear is the only way to get entities to wake up to the reality that you have a literal war on your doorstep, and you still seem to think US is your enemy. WAKE UP. We are allies, and in both world wars the American people have lost millions of lives to ensure your freedom. Russia and China are allies and Xi has said "No coorperation is forbidden between Russia and China." When China invades Taiwan, and the next world war starts, the only path forward is is for the EU and the US to REMAIN ALLIES. Don't let hate fill your heart, for things that have benefitted us both.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by burnerRhodov3 »

squidbeak wrote: post #592
jamiequint wrote: post #564

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"Fading superpower" is typical EU cope. It may help to be a little bit introspective about why one might want to oppose EU politics, or its leaders, whose "leadership" over the last decade has led to unprecedented migrant, economic, and energy crises, and stalling growth.

Seeing the word 'cope' lobbed out is usually a sure sign a poster is projecting, and so it is here. What exactly is there in the USA's destruction of the economic norms that have always served it, or in the pointless dumping of its hard-won soft power, alienation of its allies, deliberate weakening of its intelligence gatherers, rampant open corruption from its leadership, or in any other of the innumerable harms it'…

Proving superiority? Proxy controlling venezuala, creating LLM's and locking down the frontier models while GLM has to distill the models to be remotely competitive, having the hard power to ensure Iran can't fire AK's into crowds and develop nukes... I don't get how this is not percieved as immense strength? How are people defending terrorists who have been consistently saying "Death to the West"

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by energy123 »

spacedcowboy wrote: post #686
energy123 wrote: post #661

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China didn't renege on its treaty with Ukraine who is in Europe? American isn't sanctioning Russia's oil? China isn't buying Russia's oil?

For Ukraine, America has treated them far worse than China, humiliating its leader, buying Russian oil, publicly agreeing with Putin, telling Ukraine to just give up its land and people, charging Ukraine for its support, trying to bend Ukraine over a barrel for mineral rights in exchange for weapons, I could go on. China does what it says it will do. The US lies to your face and does what it wants to. One of these is…

You have a very childish view of the world if you think insulting words is what counts, while ignoring China buying far more Russian oil, China reneging on their memorandum with Ukraine (but somehow "China does what it says it will do"?), the US tariffs on Indian to deter the purchasing of Russian oil, the literal US sanctions on Russian oil, the material ongoing intelligence support, China saying "we can't afford for Russia to lose", China's sale of drone parts to Russia, and China turning a blind eye to NK sending troops to invade Ukraine. There is no point in this conversation, it is pure emotional certainty coupled with a very vacuous understanding of the world you live in. You've been emotionally hijacked by your media consumption.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by chakintosh »

softwaredoug wrote: post #123

The real problem in all this is lack of predictability. The White House is just making it up as it goes along. Investors, customers don’t know what the process is and can’t plan. In the end, we need actual laws that tell the market what kinds of models get paused / analyzed, how long that pause can be, etc. Otherwise there’s no standard and it will be easily abused and prevent investment in US AI companies.

This also shows why Anthropic is just not ready for an IPO. This admin can pump or crash the stock with dubious decisions.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by VeejayRampay »

inglor_cz wrote: post #435
VeejayRampay wrote: post #425

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capital and talent is the same in this context there's no shortage of talent in Europe or France, it's just an issue of available capital

"there's no shortage of talent in Europe or France, it's just an issue of available capital" This is more complicated than you paint it. Countries like UAE have enough capital to throw at things and little-to-no taxation, yet they don't attract as much talent as they would like to. Preexisting centers of excellence like Silicon Valley are attractive for young talented people precisely because a lot of older talented…

the older talented people are there because of money

there's nothing special about the US, it's money

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by Sammi »

rglullis wrote: post #395
Sammi wrote: post #368

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I'm the only dev. I simply don't have time for dealing with the code from non-SOTA models. I'm doing all I can to keep this business afloat.

If you think your business depends on the ability for you to outspend the competition on LLM tokens, then you should cut your losses and shut it down right now.

I'm spending 100$ on Claude and 100$ on Codex and 20$ on Cursor monthly. I use all to keep myself model and provider independent.

I'm not focusing on quantity of output but rather on quality of output.

Re: Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Claude Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

tiahura wrote: post #187
softwaredoug wrote: post #123

The real problem in all this is lack of predictability. The White House is just making it up as it goes along. Investors, customers don’t know what the process is and can’t plan. In the end, we need actual laws that tell the market what kinds of models get paused / analyzed, how long that pause can be, etc. Otherwise there’s no standard and it will be easily abused and prevent investment in US AI companies.

There are laws and regs. Just because you’re not familiar with the Defense Production Act (50 U.S.C. § 4511 ), Export Control Reform Act, 50 U.S.C. § 4812 and others doesn’t mean that they don’t exist and apply.

When they apply is entirely at the whim of the administration though. They can pick and choose, and there is no oversight.
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