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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by aa-jv »

ropable wrote: post #511
xp84 wrote: post #388

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> weaponized against us I take a more optimistic stance here. Trump can only live so long, and everybody except basically Trump and John Bolton knows that the majority of his idiotic tariffs (and nonsensical belligerence like pretending NATO control of Greenland doesn't meet all our defense needs) are wealth-destroying on net, as well as wealth-destroying for at least 10x the number of people than they help (many of…

Trump has done/is doing generational harm to the perception of the US worldwide, to say nothing of US soft-power influence. It's going to take decades to rebuild that trust after he's gone, and we still have a couple of years of his term to run yet.

Trump is just your latest excuse, American, but its not working.

The rest of the world saw what Americans did to Iraq, and it has been downhill since then. You don't get to be the #1 funder of terror around the world and keep demanding glory and respect from the lackey nations you push around with those terror networks...

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by LunaSea »

sam_lowry_ wrote: post #176
_ache_ wrote: post #137

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I'm trying to not use it myself but yes, la suite numérique should get out of GitHub. They already did it for the Ministry of Education with [La Forge]( https://docs.forge.apps.education.fr/ ). Used to be forgejo, now a GitLab instance.

GitLab, a YC and by extension an American company ) This can go as far as we want )

The chips your computer is using were produced by hardware that was itself produced by ASML, a Dutch company.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by phtrivier »

natas wrote: post #637

> France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc. The odds that France will provide a competing offering is pretty high, because, in this day and age, and with AI, it's fairly straightforward to do so. The problem is adoption, do you think people in the USA or elsewhere will install it? Does that mean that only French companies and the French will be able to talk to eachother? Seems somewhat limitin…

The EU commission would be in an interesting position to mandate American platforms (AWS, Google Cloud, etc...) to support interoperability in order to avoid "market distortion".

Meaning the US based companies would bear _some_ of the burden of making it easier to ditch them, and switch to "sovereign" solutions.

The rest of the world would have a vested interest in letting this happen, since it would also reduce _their_ dependence on the US.

The question then becomes "what happens first":

1 - European commission pressuring the Irish government to send its police to seize AWS servers in Dublin (when fines are not enough any more)

2 - US administration pressuring the tech companies to shut down service in Europe (when threats are not enough any more)

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by palata »

astrolx wrote: post #689
palata wrote: post #580

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> in half my meetings people don't manage to find the permissions to allow mic and/or webcam They will learn :-)

Judging by the amount of people who still suck at Zoom or Teams after 6 years ... I am not that sure :)

But then they can suck at Visio all the same, right? :D

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by antalis »

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #626
samus wrote: post #613

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Teams has the upside that is is deeply integrated in Microsoft products.

That seems like a downside to me, but as a Linux user, I tend to shun Microsoft products. I do have to use Teams occasionally for work and bizarrely the web client in Firefox works far better than the native Linux Teams client. Not particularly difficult as the Linux Teams client wouldn't do anything except display a blank box (this was on Ubuntu).

That's not surprising: https://itsfoss.gitlab.io/post/the-official-microsoft-teams-...

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by Signez »

alias_neo wrote: post #684
edwcross wrote: post #632

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It says "powered by LiveKit": https://github.com/suitenumerique/meet

It's not really clear to me what livekit is, but it appears to be some sort of agentic coding tool. Perhaps the similarity to Jitsi Meet is due to it regurgitating the source that an AI has ingested. The code base looks very different but a lot of the same terminology is used and the UI layout, navigation, menu options etc look very similar.

Nah, it's just a basic case of a pivot from a company that previously offered a great open source (MIT licensed) product written in Go that offer WebRTC-based backbone to build audio and video sharing products upon: https://github.com/livekit/livekit

The AI stuff that the original LiveKit company put on top of it (to pivot to more investor-friendly endeavours) is not that relevant in this case, in my humble opinion.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by spiderfarmer »

I pulled all my servers from the US months ago. Everyone I talk to is doing the same. Tech giants are going to feel this, especially when the AI bubble is going to burst.

I wish I could cancel my Office subscription but my kids still need it for school. I wrote them to take a hard look at that requirement.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by sambuccid »

fcarraldo wrote: post #19
kylecazar wrote: post #14

I don't see the dependency on these productivity and communication tools as that difficult of a problem to solve. They are going to have a much harder time weaning off American cloud infrastructure and on to something purely domestic.

ScaleWay and OVH are already filling this gap.

I'm also trying Gcore and so far, apart for an intial problem with payments, has been good. It has a lot of services

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Post by Bayart »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #359
beloch wrote: post #246

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Don't take the Canadian market for granted. There's a strong desire to forge closer links with the EU now and reduce dependence on products that could be weaponized against us at any time. Geographic proximity doesn't count for much when it comes to software.

But they EU doesn't make any software... So unless Canada is willing to go with Chinese software which would kinda invalidate any "moral" ground they have and well frankly the USA wouldn't allow it seems like the USA can take it for granted.

Europe makes lots of quality software, it just doesn't scale economically. And that's an issue with access to capital and to a lesser extent legal fragmentation, not talent or willingness. That's why there's a constant push for markets reforms in the EU, on top of unified corporate structures (one might even call them "federal") being in the pipeline.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by kasey_junk »

beloch wrote: post #506
willhslade wrote: post #494

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Wasn't Carter a peanut farmer? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter

His family farmed a few things, including trees. Carter was on the record as a fan of soft-wood lumber tariffs, even though his term had come and gone by the time the softwood lumber dispute arose. There are democratic presidents who have done worse things to Canada than Carter. I singled out Carter because, today, he seems to be viewed as left-leaning (for a POTUS) and un-Trump-like.

Left leaning in the US has not meant international trade friendly, historically it’s the opposite. The Clinton/Obama branch of the democrats who were pro free trade are really the exception.

That the Republicans sold out their business branch for cronyism and populism with MAGA may end up being the negative outcome of that movement with the longest negative ramifications (my thinking being administrations can change immigration policy easily and Trump is more the final nail in the rules based international order than the initiator of its demise)

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