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Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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Post by olyjohn »

joquarky wrote: post #119
pupppet wrote: post #66

The fact that I have to turn on closed captioning to understand anything tells me these producers have no idea what we want and shouldn’t be telling us what settings to use.

One problem is that the people mixing the audio already know what is being said: Top-down processing (or more specifically, top-down auditory perception) This refers to perception being driven by prior knowledge, expectations, and context rather than purely by sensory input. When you already know the dialog, your brain projects that knowledge onto the sound and experiences it as “clear.”

That may be a part of it, but I think for a lot of people the problem is how surround sound movies are processed.

Voice comes through the center channel. Music tends to come out of multiple speakers, and so do a lot of explosions and sound effects.

Most people don't have multi-channel setups at home. So you get everything coming out of 2 speakers or a sound bar.

What that means, is that you get 4+ channels of music and sound effects mixed into 2 channels. So it ends up drowning out the single voice channel.

When I play movies through Kodi, I generally go into the audio settings and turn up the center channel. This fixes the issue every time for me.

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Post by robotnikman »

robhlt wrote: post #624
burnte wrote: post #535

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with filmmaker mode is I don't trust it more than other modes. It would take no effort at all for a TV maker to start fiddling whit "filmmaker mode" to boost colors or something to "get an edge", then everyone does it, and we're back to where we started. I just turn them off and leave it that way. Companies have already proven time and again they'll make changes we don't like just because they can, so it'…

"Filmmaker mode" is a trademark of the UHD Alliance, so if TV makers want to deviate from the spec they can't call it "Filmmaker mode" anymore. There's a few different TV makers in the UHD Alliance so there's an incentive for the spec to not have wiggle room that one member could exploit to the determent of the others.

Huh, I never knew this, they even have a website

https://filmmakermode.com/

Good to know there seems to be an effort to keep some consistency.

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Post by driverdan »

bcrosby95 wrote: post #596
neom wrote: post #509

I know this sounds extreme but I get actually angry/frustrated and often just can't watch peoples TVs. I don't watch TV myself but if I go to someones house and they have the TV on and it's one of those "enhanced" TVs, it boils my blood. I went to film school, I have emmy's, I've watched hours long conversations about frame rates and dynamic range choices and so many aspects of the creative process that the TV then..…

Like people putting ketchup on a steak, eating pizza with a fork, putting chili in a hand baked loaf of sourdough, using a garbage disposal as another trash can, or generally using the thing someone is knowledgeable about "wrong". For you it's film, but most people have their thing, and you're probably doing the same thing to something else in your household.

> eating pizza with a fork

That's a weird one to include. It doesn't impact the pizza at all, it still tastes the same. Plus it's common to eat pizza with a fork in Italy.

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Post by driverdan »

scuff3d wrote: post #682
iknowstuff wrote: post #627

The 120Hz / "soap opera effect" is a matter of perspective. I hate the judder and blur during 30Hz camera pans. Love interpolated smoothness.

It seems to be different for everyone. My wife and her Dad don't even notice the smoothing affect. It drives me and my brother absolutely fucking nuts on the other hand. It makes things basically unwatchable for me, it's so distracting.

If they don't notice then they won't notice when you turn it off.

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Post by saltcured »

dontlaugh wrote: post #518
knorker wrote: post #515

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is no such thing as the soap opera effect. What has been asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. I'll take the Pepsi challenge on this any day. It looks horrible. > Good quality sets and makeup and cameras look good at 24 or 48 or 120 fps. Can you give an example of ANY movie that survives TV motion interpolation settings? Billion dollar movies by this definition don't have good quality s…

I agree with you that the interpolation isn’t ideal, I’m not praising it. It’s merely a necessity for me to not get headaches. It’s also much less noticeable on its lowest settings, which serve just to take the edge off panning shots. The “soap opera effect” is what people call video at higher than 24 fps in general, it has nothing to do with interpolation. The term has been used for decades before interpolation even…

Yeah, but soap opera effect also isn't only framerate either.

Earlier video cameras exposed the pixels differently, sampling the image field in the same linear fashion that it was scanned on a CRT during broadcast. In the US this was also an interlaced scanning format. This changes the way motion is reproduced. The film will tend to have a global motion blur for everything moving rapidly in the frame, where the video could have sharper borders on moving objects, but other distortions depending on the direction of motion, as different parts of the object were sampled at different times.

Modern digital sensors are somewhere in between, with enough dynamic range to allow more film-like or video-like response via post-processing. Some are still rolling shutters that are a bit like traditional video scanning, while others are full-field sensors and use a global shutter more like film.

As I understand it, modern digital sensors also allow more freedom to play with aperture and exposure compared to film. You can get surprising combinations of lighting, motion blur, and depth of field that were just never feasible with film due to the limited sensitivity and dynamic range.

There are also culturally associated production differences. E.g. different script, set, costume, makeup, and lighting standards for the typical high-throughput TV productions versus the more elaborate movie production. Whether using video or film, a production could exhibit more "cinematic" vs "sitcom" vs "soapy" values.

For some, the 24 fps rate of cinema provides a kind of dreamy abstraction. I think of it almost like a vague transition area between real motion and a visual storyboard. The mind is able to interpolate a richer world in the imagination. But the mature techniques also rely on this. I wonder whether future artists will figure out how to get the same range of expression out of high frame rate video or whether it really depends on the viewer getting this decimated input to their eyes...

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Post by PunchyHamster »

echelon wrote: post #538
PunchyHamster wrote: post #413

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> The choice wasn't intentional, >I'm a filmmaker. Yes, it was. What you are is dishonest. Quote my entire sentence not cut it in half changing its entire meaning > The choice wasn't intentional, it was forced by technology and in turn, methods were molded by technological limitation. There was no choice unless you think "just make it look bad by ignoring tech limitations" is realistic choice of someone actually tak…

> What you are is dishonest. I was being civil, but you're taking this too far. I was wary of engaging with your first comment given the bombastic tone, but I thought you might appreciate my domain experience. I disagree with everything you're saying, but I am not going to engage with you further.

Misquoting people is hardly "civil", is underhanded at best.

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Post by Bloomy22 »

pipes wrote: post #673

Can anyone explain why my Samsung s95b oled TV film maker mode is so dark? I'm a parent with young kids and I just do not have time to delve into all the settings. I've managed to stop films looking like soap operas but I'm not sure exactly what I've adjusted. Also, if I'm watching from my pc on the same TV using VLC player is it a mistake just to leave the TV on "game mode" ? This seems to work fine, but I've no ide…

What TV model do you have?

I just tried Filmmaker mode on my Samsung S95B and, like you, I find it very dark. Another flaw of this TV is that if the edges of the screen darken (like the borders in widescreen movies), the entire panel goes dark.

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Post by Bloomy22 »

sirmarksalot wrote: post #377
port3000 wrote: post #371

More importantly, I wish I could turn off the entire Samsung 'Smart' TV UI and bring back HDMI, TV, and Apps. I get bombarded with ads and recommendations every time.

I keep all that stuff off my LG TV by keeping the ethernet cable unplugged and let Apple TV handle all the streaming stuff. I still somewhat resent that I need to wait for the software to boot up just to change inputs, but at least I don't get ads. Hopefully Samsung works the same way?

It's so annoying that the only way to stay "online" is to decline the privacy policy, etc. But by doing that, you lose access to the app store and the ability to update the firmware. I hate my damn Samsung Smart TV, even though it (almost) doesn't show any ads in my country/region. Its bloatware makes even the most basic use of the TV infuriating.
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