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Re: Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

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Post by codingbot3000 »

testfoobar wrote: post #52

Mamdani's and by extension, his voters', ignorance about the effects of price controls in markets will be an interesting real-time political experiment. When the inevitable unintended outcomes become to emerge who will be blamed? https://rentguidelinesboard.cityofnewyork.us/resources/apart... https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform Quoting Paul Krugman (Nobel prize winner and liberal columnist at the NYT). "The analysi…

Good points.

All variants of rent control etc. have been tried in Europe and have miserably failed. Quite the opposite, rents have been rising even more, and new construction has been reduced due to new politically induced risks.

Examples: Berlin, Barcelona

But as Barcelona shows, there is a feedback loop benefiting leftist populist politicians:

Higher rents, lower housing supply -> people frustrated -> leftist populists get more votes -> more stupid regulation -> even higher rents, even lower housing supply -> people more frustrated -> ...

This can go on for at least two electoral cycles.

Re: Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

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Post by cogman10 »

apparent wrote: post #575
octaane wrote: post #73

You guys have it all wrong. There was only one candidate for the dem party, Here's the list: 1) Cuomo. Sexpest who has been accused by many women of some pretty shitty stuff. Also a member of a multi-generational dynasty, which is not good. 2) Mayor Adams. Federally indicted by the Feds. They have a 99% conviction rate. Not because they're corrupt, but because they only go after people who have dome some really egreg…

> his policies are relatively common sense and middle of the road Free buses and free child care are not remotely common policies in the US. Ditto for govt-run grocery stores. And freezing rent for controlled units.

> Free buses and free child care are not remotely common policies in the US. Ditto for govt-run grocery stores.

While not common, free buses do exist throughout the US and Europe.

Free childcare is uncommon. IDK where that actually exists.

Government run stores is actually very common. Many states run the liquor stores. A few cities have government run grocery stores.

Freezing the rent on rent controlled buildings isn't common but rent control itself it quite uncommon. It's probably the easiest for Mamdani to accomplish.

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Post by BonitaPersona »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #632
woodpanel wrote: post #536

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have some confrontational views about this, but in good faith I’d like to invite some discussion with it (not an American). TLDR: You will see more Mamdanis in other cities. This is a treasure trove for MAGA. Expect at least 12 years of secure nationwide wins for whoever is championing that platform > I’m reminided of Obama and his hopeful message This is the gist of the PR campaign, voters fell for. It goes in lin…

>How is it, that these well-established circles of the democrats, these well oiled machines, where in states like CA or NY (or most US cities) mayorships, senatorships, congressional seats, and governorships are basically handed out by the DNC, fail to win on those issues? You should know this better than the US, but our "democrats" are center right for the rest of the world. The goal is to sound progressive but then…

>You should know this better than the US, but our "democrats" are center right for the rest of the world. The goal is to sound progressive but then act in neoliberal ways

You won't know this, but us living in the Czech Republic know that your "democrats" are left of center left. And for a lot of other countries that exist in the real world.

Is this proof that the "democrats" are indeed extreme left? If not, in what percentage does or does not? Do the politics of all these countries affect the "democrat" alignment in any way?

See? That is a non-argument, and it signals more about the person using it than the "democrats".

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Post by krapp »

thrance wrote: post #683
FuckButtons wrote: post #462

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That may be so, but how far do you think viral radical left wing populism is going to get you towards regaining people who voted for trump?

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The Democrats lost the last election because they put too much effort into catering to the right and completely lost their own base. The only thing Kamala Harris had to do was take a stance against genocide - which should be a no-brainer, instead she only doubled down and started talking about guns and bringing neocons into the fold. Now she's getting dragged on Twitter for her effusive eulogizing of Dick Cheney. Does anyone think that if Zohran or Kamala died tomorrow, that anyone on the right, even up to the White House, would return the same courtesy?

And out of the current crop of Democratic candidates as far as I can tell all but AOC take AIPAC money, and the left has soured on her, so we might as well cede 2028 right now.

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Post by jijijijij »

mmooss wrote: post #493
somenameforme wrote: post #334

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I think people had rose colored glasses about Obama because he was, by far, the most charismatic President we've had in modern times. His speeches still give me goose bumps, even when I disagree with what he's saying! That man has the gift of gab. Him also being intelligent further, sadly, makes him an outlier in modern times. But many of the things he did were dubious and ACA is a perfect example of this. It's littl…

> Obama ... was, by far, the most charismatic President we've had in modern times Watching old Obama speeches, I find him mostly run-of-the-mill. Trump, whether or not you like him, is far more charismatic - his success is built on his charisma. Also, look up Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan speeches, by maybe that isn't what you mean by 'modern times'.

Compared to Trump, Bush was more charismatic. Apart from the inability to reliably form coherent sentences or speak with any intellect showing, Trump is so consistent in spleens and weird mannerisms, literally every person exposed to it can imitate it recognizably as parody. He's a caricature.

People talk about Trump because he/his team excels at distraction through outrage. He's not charismatic, he's dopaminergic.

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Post by cogman10 »

bogomipz wrote: post #514
throwaway81523 wrote: post #240

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Plenty of red states have government run liquor stores. And army bases have government run grocery stores along with government run everything else. I don't see the problem here. Progressive version presumably would be free groceries for everyone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_grocery_store

I would say that state-run liquor stores and subsidized city-run grocery stores such as what Mamdani proposes are not at all comparable. The former is a giant cash cow - a profit center while the latter is an entitlement program i.e a mandatory budget expense. To give an idea of the amount of money involved in state-run liquor stores, consider the state of New Hampshire's report from last year: >"In FY2024, total inc…

Why does a government ran entity need to be a huge money maker?

NYC has a $6B cop budget. They even have subs. Yet nobody worries about that. A grocery store could be ran at a deficit. More than likely it will be neutral or will turn a slight profit.

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Post by _heimdall »

xivzgrev wrote: post #415
reenorap wrote: post #401

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Obama was hated by San Franciscan progressives because he came in with all of these promises and then backtracked on almost all of them. He basically turned into a Bush-lite, and he even maintained every single one of Bush's policies as well as deadlines. For example, he talked a lot about abortion and then immediately said it wasn't a priority for him once he got into office. He never closed Guantanamo and in both e…

I'll give you one reason, among many, it wasn't a failure. It made it illegal to deny people health insurance coverage based on pre existing conditions. That was a big step forward in a broken system to restore some humanity to the system.

Had the ACA gone further and actually provided a single payer system, I'd consider the block on denials based on preexisting conditions a win.

As it is we have a system of private "insurance" that can't consider the risk level of those being insured. All that means is the companies charge everyone else more to subsidize the cost of those who are more at risk.

That bastardizes the whole point of private insurance. I don't want to pay more for my car insurance because the person next door bought a Porsche and the insurance company isn't legally allowed to consider the cost of repairing a Porsche.

Don't get me wrong, morally I don't want to see anyone denied health insurance. I also don't want this half-in half-out program where its no longer really private health insurance nor is it a centralized single payer system.

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Post by cogman10 »

fastball wrote: post #556
nice_byte wrote: post #321

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"communism is when government do thing"

Communism is literally when the government owns the means of production. Owning the means of distribution is not far from that at all.

No.

Communism only happens after a revolution overthrowing the current government and replacing the entire economy with the state overseeing it. Note the word entire.

Socialism is when you have the public own entire industries. For example, how the oil industry in Norway is owned by the state.

Having the government do something or own a business is neither communism nor socialism. It's simply a state owned thing. It's not, for example, socialist for the government to have a parks department.

A city ran store is not the city owning the means of production. There will still be private stores throughout NYC. The areas where these stores are being targeted are where those private stores have chosen not to deploy.

Communism isn't "everything I didn't like"

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Post by lyu07282 »

dachworker wrote: post #653
seydor wrote: post #165

The fact that people in here (who are richer than average) disagree with his policies makes his election more hopeful

I love how they always style themselves experts on economics, as if there is one global economic policy that benefits everyone, equally. How cute.

It's just they have been in charge for so long, and gotten their ideology implemented for decades, the damage they caused is now so large and felt by so many people deep inside the neocolonial core that we finally see the first cracks in this system.

If these people were aware of the current moment instead of just confused and trapped in their own ideological bubble, they would probably all be wearing MAGA hats, since the authoritarian right is the only way they can realistically hold on to their rotten system in the long run. Curious why that's not a lesson they learned from history, too uncomfortable to think about that part I suppose.

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Post by cogman10 »

debtta wrote: post #677
fastball wrote: post #556

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Communism is literally when the government owns the means of production. Owning the means of distribution is not far from that at all.

No, that's literally socialism. Communism is something different.

I disagree that it's even socialism as NYC isn't outlawing or using the emoluments clause to take control of private stores. It isn't ceasing the means of production in any sense.

The Mamdani plan is to put in stores where no stores exist. That's just a city ran store. Something that used to be pretty common in the US.

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