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Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by bitwize »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #5
magicmicah85 wrote: post #3

This is an opportunity for an entrepreneur to create a censorship-resistant platform, though, I don't know how you do it profitably when CSAM and other potentially criminal content needs to be reviewed.

CSAM means material of actual kids, meaning actual victims from the real world have been harmed/abused. Weird video games on the porn side, are only fictional 3D models made of pixels, so no humans are being harmed. When I used to kill cops in GTA Vice City as a kid, 20 years ago, I wasn't killing actual cops(duh!). Has society lost their collective marbles since then, and can't differentiate what's a real crime and…

U.S. law says otherwise:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1466A

> (c)Nonrequired Element of Offense.— It is not a required element of any offense under this section that the minor depicted actually exist.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by marcjensen »

In many countries, the sale of alcohol is restricted because the majority agrees that it is harmful to society. The same should be done with pornographic content. However, we are only beginning to learn how to efficiently limit it. Things like this will happen, but it will improve over time. Overall, I see positive progress here.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by animal531 »

marcjensen wrote: post #692

In many countries, the sale of alcohol is restricted because the majority agrees that it is harmful to society. The same should be done with pornographic content. However, we are only beginning to learn how to efficiently limit it. Things like this will happen, but it will improve over time. Overall, I see positive progress here.

That's to stop children from accessing it while this stops anyone from doing so. The two aren't equivalent.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by redpill12345 »

ivape wrote: post #456
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty wild that people think that porn is more damaging to society than censorship.

One can make a very strong argument that the manosphere stuff is rooted in poor sexual attitudes of men that only got worse with tons of porn. You only need to type any random sexual thing and find any explicit subreddit you want, that’s how pervasive the porn is on even an allegedly non-porn platform. Every other game has basically stripper-level female characters now days. We’ve literally gone crazy. Holistically,…

In the original days of TheRedPill one of the first things recommended was to drop porn IIRC (also workout and get paid more)

The manosphere is probably a very large umbrella of all kinds of views only united by one common trait - being a man.

Although you're not wrong that society is hyper sexualised and dating has become increasingly transactional

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by j_timberlake »

VerdisQuo5678 wrote: post #484
j_timberlake wrote: post #475

All the real hentai trash is on DLsite anyway. These people probably have no idea, and even if they did, they're powerless to change Japan. They'd definitely give up after encountering Kanji.

...sweet summer child visa is hitting DLSite hard https://cs.dlsite.com/hc/en-us/articles/1500002888202-What-p... actually it seems all the major western credit card players have already blocked them. i remember seeing pay with crypto so i guess thats what you need to use in the west

No shit, people just use a different credit card, instead of the site pulling a game or shuttering, because these groups have no power beyond pestering Visa.

Not that anyone saying "sweet summer child" ever had anything smart to say.

"i remember seeing pay with crypto so i guess thats what you need to use in the west"

In other words you know nothing and couldn't be bothered to look it up before posting.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by constantcrying »

can16358p wrote: post #105

What is wrong with these people who try to block certain content? Don't like porn? Don't buy it. Simple as that. No one, including governments or payment processors, should be in the position to decide whether a platform can sell something or not. I wish there was a payment processor who was brave enough to say a big fucking NO to censorship.

>No one, including governments or payment processors, should be in the position to decide whether a platform can sell something or not.

Obviously the government should make selling certain things illegal. And I think that many of the games sold their, should be made illegal.

What should not happen is payment processors being the ones who decide what is okay to sell. If selling something is legal, payment processors should be forced to make that transaction.

>I wish there was a payment processor who was brave enough to say a big fucking NO to censorship.

I do not. I do not want legal financial transactions being dependent on the whims of how "brave" some company is.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by jfyi »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #339
jfyi wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OnlyFans did manage to figure it out though. Maybe this is an opportunity for them to start a gaming division.

The thing they figured out was "people can fight back and the credit cards will back down". Onlyfans is a lot of people's income, so they will naturally fight harder than a consumer market like games to keep the lights on.

They found another processor, CCBill. That's what they figured out.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by Longhanks »

jackdoe wrote: post #689
can16358p wrote: post #105

What is wrong with these people who try to block certain content? Don't like porn? Don't buy it. Simple as that. No one, including governments or payment processors, should be in the position to decide whether a platform can sell something or not. I wish there was a payment processor who was brave enough to say a big fucking NO to censorship.

I guess you can also ask "don't like gambling, don't gamble". It goes even further. What was wrong with those people poisoning Socrates? For what? Don't like what he says, do not listen to him. You know how in higher dimensional space everything is almost orthogonal? I think people are like that, some like porn, some are afraid of it, some want to be impregnated by aliens, some hate aliens. Through good intentions de…

> When should others "save" you? When it is absolutely obvious some people need saving.

Who gave anyone the right to judge who needs or needs not to be saved? What if people don’t want to be saved?

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by unnamed76ri »

phyzix5761 wrote: post #479
RankingMember wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Puritanical origins of the US reverberate to this day. While coming for "freedom of religion" sounds like a noble origin story, the context was that they wanted the freedom to practice a much stricter, restrictive form of religion than that allowed by the Church of England.

Weren't the Pilgrims, also known as Separatists, being jailed if they didn't attend Church of England services per the Act of Uniformity of 1559? And weren't they jailed without trial if they tried to have their own religious services in private homes?

Shh don’t bring facts in here.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Post by [deleted] »

vunderba wrote: post #298
bko wrote: post #233

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I don't think you have to be Puritanical or particularly religious to realize that some content is generally not good for people. I've seen this destroy lives, drive addiction and lead to other forms of destructive behavior. Religion and taboo often exist for a reason, because endless self gratification does not lead to flourishing. You don't have to agree that it should be banned, but you can at least concede it's n…

IMHO the creation of organized religion has led to far more injustice in the world than a stray nipple (outside of Helen of Troy).

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