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Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by infecto »

vbezhenar wrote: post #661
fsndz wrote: post #615

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you prefer ? Letting DeepSeek and China lead the AI war ? DeepSeek R1 is a big wake up call https://open.substack.com/pub/transitions/p/deepseek-is-comi...

China is much more peaceful nation compared to US. So, yes, I'd prefer China leading AI research any day. They are interested in mutual trade and prosperity, they respect local laws and culture, all unlike US.

Holy smokes. Do folks like you actually believe this? China has its own style of colonialism (whatever you want to call it) but it certainly exists as strong as the US flavor.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by roenxi »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #676
roenxi wrote: post #649

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sentiment calls for reflection - whoever ends up on top of the heap after the AI craze settles down is going to be someone that everyone objects to. Elon Musk was himself an internet darling up until he became wealthy and entrenched. That said, this does look like dreadful policy at the first headline. There is a lot of money going in to AI, adding more money from the US taxpayer is gratuitous. Although in the s…

> That sentiment calls for reflection - whoever ends up on top of the heap after the AI craze settles down is going to be someone that everyone objects to. Did we see the same fallout from the space-race from a couple generations ago? I don't think so — certainly not in the way you're framing it. So I guess I don't accept your proposition as a guarantee of what will happen.

A couple of generations ago we didn't have the internet and the only things people heard about were being managed. The big question was whether the media editors wanted to build someone up or tear them down.

The spoils of the space race would have gone to someone a lot like Musk. Or Ellison. Or Masayoshi Son. Or Sam Altman. Or the much worse old-moneyed types. The US space program was, famously, literally employing ex-Nazis. I doubt the beneficiaries of the money had particularly clean hands either

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by bitlax »

CSSer wrote: post #622
deknos wrote: post #589

This is so much money with which we could actually solve problems in the world. maybe even stop wars which break out because of scarcity issues. maybe i am getting to old or to friendly to humans, but it's staggering to me how the priorities are for such things.

For less than this same price tag, we could’ve eliminated student loan debt for ~20 million Americans. It would in turn open a myriad number of opportunities, like owning a home and/or feeling more comfortable starting a family. It would stimulate the economy in predictable ways. Instead we gave a small number of people all of this money for a moonshot in a state where they squabble over who’s allowed to use which ba…

Let the schools pay back the people they scammed.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by visarga »

CSSer wrote: post #622
deknos wrote: post #589

This is so much money with which we could actually solve problems in the world. maybe even stop wars which break out because of scarcity issues. maybe i am getting to old or to friendly to humans, but it's staggering to me how the priorities are for such things.

For less than this same price tag, we could’ve eliminated student loan debt for ~20 million Americans. It would in turn open a myriad number of opportunities, like owning a home and/or feeling more comfortable starting a family. It would stimulate the economy in predictable ways. Instead we gave a small number of people all of this money for a moonshot in a state where they squabble over who’s allowed to use which ba…

The problem with allowing student debt to rack up to these levels and then cancelling it is that it would embolden universities to ask even higher tuition. A second problem is that not all students get the benefit, some already paid off their debts or a large part of it. It would be unfair to them.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by DebtDeflation »

A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 wrote: post #629
mppm wrote: post #558

Apart from my general queasiness about the whole AGI scaling business and the power concentration that comes with it, these are the exact four people/entities that I would not want to be at the tip of said power concentration.

Just Ellison alone brings unwelcome feeling of having Oracle craziness forced down our collective throats, but I share your concern about the unholy alliance generated in front of us.

My immediate reaction to the announcement was one of these is not like the others. OpenAI, a couple of big investment funds, Microsoft, Nvidia, and...............Oracle?

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by b3lvedere »

deknos wrote: post #589

This is so much money with which we could actually solve problems in the world. maybe even stop wars which break out because of scarcity issues. maybe i am getting to old or to friendly to humans, but it's staggering to me how the priorities are for such things.

Such mega investments are usually not for the sake of humankind. They are usually for the sake of a very selected group of humans.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by b3lvedere »

neximo64 wrote: post #611
deknos wrote: post #589

This is so much money with which we could actually solve problems in the world. maybe even stop wars which break out because of scarcity issues. maybe i am getting to old or to friendly to humans, but it's staggering to me how the priorities are for such things.

It actually isn't alot, about $100 spread out over a few years for every person on earth isnt enough to do these things..

IF money was equally distributed then maybe. But that has never happened. Same with drinking water, food and shelter.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by infecto »

roenxi wrote: post #649
mppm wrote: post #558

Apart from my general queasiness about the whole AGI scaling business and the power concentration that comes with it, these are the exact four people/entities that I would not want to be at the tip of said power concentration.

That sentiment calls for reflection - whoever ends up on top of the heap after the AI craze settles down is going to be someone that everyone objects to. Elon Musk was himself an internet darling up until he became wealthy and entrenched. That said, this does look like dreadful policy at the first headline. There is a lot of money going in to AI, adding more money from the US taxpayer is gratuitous. Although in the s…

> That sentiment calls for reflection - whoever ends up on top of the heap after the AI craze settles down is going to be someone that everyone objects to. Elon Musk was himself an internet darling up until he became wealthy and entrenched.

Trying to process this but doesn’t his fall from grace have more to him increasing his real personality to the world? Sometime around calling that guy a pedo. Not much bothers me but at the very least his apparent lack of decision making calls into question many things.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 »

DebtDeflation wrote: post #695
A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 wrote: post #629

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just Ellison alone brings unwelcome feeling of having Oracle craziness forced down our collective throats, but I share your concern about the unholy alliance generated in front of us.

My immediate reaction to the announcement was one of these is not like the others. OpenAI, a couple of big investment funds, Microsoft, Nvidia, and...............Oracle?

Sadly, it is not that unexpected given some of his recent interviews[1]. Any other day, I would agree it is a surprise.

[1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/09/omnip...

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by roenxi »

andy_ppp wrote: post #672
amelius wrote: post #665

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love for Oracle to use AI to put their entire legal department out of work, though.

So you want them to be infinitely more litigious? A serious question though, what does happen when AIs are filing lawsuits autonomously on behalf of the powerful, the courts clearly won't be able to cope unless you have AI powered courts too? None of how these monumental changes will work has been thought through at all, let's hope AI is smart enough to tell us what to do...

Oracle could reasonably be hit with some sort of stick every time they filed a frivolous lawsuit until the AI got tuned appropriately. Then it'd be a situation where Oracle were continuously suing people who don't follow the law, following a reasonably neutral and well calibrated standard that is probably going to end up as similar to an intelligent and well practised barrister. That would be acceptable. If people aren't meant to be following the law that is a problem for the legislators.
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