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School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Post by bdangubic »

quesera wrote: post #683
bdangubic wrote: post #642

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there are active shooter drills in schools across the United States since like PK so you know, terrifying part is already done by government which encourages slaughter of children in schools (e.g. sandy hook) which then schools have to prepare for… then as a parent you have to try to explain this to your kid and best way to do that is to prepare some more on a personal level

Active shooter drills are a tragic case of adults failing to deal with adult problems. We scare children because we're scared, and somehow imagine that sharing that fear with them is helpful to anything but our own selfish fear of fear.

and yet if you live in Madison today… https://apple.news/AY6KuotdlTFW4aCRQYKH1Jw

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Post by quesera »

bdangubic wrote: post #691
quesera wrote: post #683

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Active shooter drills are a tragic case of adults failing to deal with adult problems. We scare children because we're scared, and somehow imagine that sharing that fear with them is helpful to anything but our own selfish fear of fear.

and yet if you live in Madison today… https://apple.news/AY6KuotdlTFW4aCRQYKH1Jw

School shootings are real, and are legitimately frightening.

But I suggest that active shooter drills do more harm than good.

And I suggest that it's a mistake for parents to legitimize active shooter drills by giving their kids special silent-phone-text-me-safe-words instructions.

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Post by Aerroon »

graemep wrote: post #335
Aerroon wrote: post #242

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This baffles me as well. A large group of people seem to immediately treat it as a foregone conclusion that smartphone bans are entirely positive. Nobody seems to even question the idea that we shouldn't ban things by default . The evidence that's used for these bans is more "everyone knows this is true" and less "we have proven that this causes way too much farm, therefore we're banning it". Everyone knows sitting t…

We ban lot of things for kids that they have to cope with in adult life. The US even bans alcohol for young adults, and there are few places where someone under 16 can buy it. Social media is designed to be addictive, and it seems reasonable to ban addictive things for kids by default. IMO we would be better off if adults stopped using it too.

>Social media is designed to be addictive, and it seems reasonable to ban addictive things for kids by default.

Like certain types of food? Watching TV? Playing video games? Reading (fiction) books? Getting into relationships/making friends? Pretty much everything great in life can become an addiction.

If the claim is that social media is designed to be addictive, therefore we should ban it, then I would love someone being able to demonstrate that and that in this instance it's worse than usual. I want to see what "rules" they use to design something to be addictive, but I don't think this demonstration is ever going to happen, because social media isn't designed to be addictive - nobody knows how to do that. It's iteratively designed. They try stuff and make more of what works.

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Post by bdangubic »

quesera wrote: post #692
bdangubic wrote: post #691

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and yet if you live in Madison today… https://apple.news/AY6KuotdlTFW4aCRQYKH1Jw

School shootings are real, and are legitimately frightening. But I suggest that active shooter drills do more harm than good. And I suggest that it's a mistake for parents to legitimize active shooter drills by giving their kids special silent-phone-text-me-safe-words instructions.

I agree that they are real and frightening and given that the preparation for this unlikely event can be a difference between life and death.

like the stories of companies at world trade center who took time to practice the extremely unlikely event of “airplane hit the building how do we get out” and then safely got out cause they knew what they needed to do, kids also need to be prepared as well. it is horrible thing kids have to go through in the US but pretending this is not happening I believe is not the way to approach it

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Post by bestthrowaway »

kobenni wrote: post #669
llm_trw wrote: post #228

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You should read what Socrates has to say about book addicts. We need to burn more of them to raise awareness of just how pernicious the written word is.

Seeing this type of argument always bothers me. It's basically saying that, because people in the past were often overly critical of new technologies or trends, we can dismiss criticisms of new technologies or trends in general. Makes no sense.

I think it's less dismissing criticisms and more "just because it's new doesn't mean it's bad."

Other examples: cars vs horses, household appliances will make people lazy vs household robots will make peopl lazy, or SNL has really gone downhill (people have been saying that for decades, and it is indeed subjective but the generation who says it now thought it was peak in their youth, when the old people of their time were saying it sucked).

There may be some merit of truth and some valid criticisms in all of it. As other commenters have pointed out, books were a one-sided conversation, so Socrates was right in that sense, but sometimes it's necessary to have this one-sided conversation in order to have a fruitful multi-party conversation. And I think it's important for that to be understood -- some things are good for some things in some roles.

It's becoming very difficult to function in modern society without a smartphone. Smartphones have given us luxuries we couldn't even fathom in the 90s. Today I sent a spontaneous birthday gift to a friend in another state using Doordash. Twenty years ago that may not have even been possible.

I think it's important to understand the role of smartphones in our society and lives. It shouldn't replace real-life social interaction. It shouldn't be where we spend half our days looking at. We shouldn't believe the news that comes from our social feeds at face value (that transcends smartphones but you get my drift). But using it as a tool to get stuff done, that's invaluable.

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Post by WWLink »

mattlondon wrote: post #197
WWLink wrote: post #134

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I mean, ok? What's the big deal? So you have to drive slowly and carefully and wait for people who are walking and might not be paying the best of attention? I can see how that may be annoying but how many seconds/minutes does it add to your commute such that you would be so bothered about it? Edit: And to clarify, I believe your post is incredibly tame and politely written. I've seen people get super furious over th…

An A road is typically a high-speed high-throughput road. Stopping to wait for someone to slowly cross can be dangerous. So you are stationary there and then some comes around the bend at 60mph not expecting a stopped car and wham. Not saying cars should have priority, but there you go

Yea, going by the picture that road is VERY incorrectly setup, then! There should be a pedestrian bridge for that kinda road. o_O

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Post by caseyy »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #206
natsucks wrote: post #74

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Turning GrayScale mode on also helps.

Woah I never heard this before. Very novel. Is the theory here the grey scale is less visually stimulating compared to full colour? LOL, it almost makes me wonder if we need a Duplo mode that makes everything crap 8-bit colours and low-res to scare people away from their phones.

That’s a part of the appeal in E-Ink phones.

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Post by rob_c »

graemep wrote: post #672
rob_c wrote: post #363

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I'm sorry but my honest response to that is something is failing there, either education or parent but you're both using the child as an excuse. Having to walk home or wait to get picked up from school to be punished isn't crazy its called consequences which children need to be taught.

Judgement without facts. it would be OK in our case, but lots of kids live too far away to walk. Not everyone has a car. it was also an example of how hard it is to do without it. My daughter is old enough not to need those rules and at this point (and at a sixth form college: a school that only takes kids 16+) I do not think such rules are needed. For a more real example one parent told me of their low income family…

Yes, that is called a punishment. And parents have to pick up if a kid misbehaves like that. That is a parental responsibility not a childs.

No, these rules are needed like all rules in life. Don't just chop change and choose because 'you know better'. Society doesn't fundamentally function that way at your whym be you on top or the bottom. Obviously the real world bends to huge piles of cash but I doubt your kids are bribing the teachers here in this example...

So the low income family needs free travel via app. That's nonsense, no council in the UK is running something that increases the digital divide. They may offer it as a convenience via app but it's that. A CONVENIENCE. Especially where kids travel is involved, it's almost always a photographic travel id. Although there are a few that issue ones without photos.

Again if you break a rule you have your convenience taken away from you.

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Post by quesera »

bdangubic wrote: post #694
quesera wrote: post #692

Earlier quoted context omitted.

School shootings are real, and are legitimately frightening. But I suggest that active shooter drills do more harm than good. And I suggest that it's a mistake for parents to legitimize active shooter drills by giving their kids special silent-phone-text-me-safe-words instructions.

I agree that they are real and frightening and given that the preparation for this unlikely event can be a difference between life and death. like the stories of companies at world trade center who took time to practice the extremely unlikely event of “airplane hit the building how do we get out” and then safely got out cause they knew what they needed to do, kids also need to be prepared as well. it is horrible thin…

No one said anything about pretending it's not happening.

The correct method of training humans to conduct themselves in an orderly fashion under dramatic circumstances does not involve frightening them.

Prepare for all sorts of emergency scenarios. Tornadoes, earthquakes, power outages, fires, police activity, bomb threats. Prepare for them appropriately. In some cases: assemble at a distance outside. In some cases: go to safe assigned locations. In some cases: shelter in place. Category X scenario: take action Y.

Don't tell kids that superbad monsters are coming to get you and it's your responsibility to hide and not die (but make sure to text mommy and daddy! phone on silent!!1!!1! safeword "cacao"!!) when these evil creatures with big magic weapons come to hunt you down and watch you twist and scream in pain and eat your liver and we're soo worried about you and just want you to be safe so please don't die gruesomely, we love you so sorry we can't protect you make sure to study hard and do your homework.

The foregoing is an only slightly editorialized version of the way some schools and some parents communicate ASD importance to their children. I've seen worse. It involved parents sobbing. I've seen better too, but not much better.

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