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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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emmelaich wrote: post #556
jameshart wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The DoD isn’t known for their public relations" https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/43168/top-gun-2s-exten... The DoD got Tom Cruise to pay them to make a 2hr 10m ad, and then audiences paid $1.5bn at the box office to watch it. The DoD is amazing at PR.

Operating an aircraft carrier is extremely expensive. Wikipedia says 6.5m PER DAY > In 2013, the life-cycle cost per operating day of a carrier strike group (including aircraft) was estimated at $6.5 million by the Center for New American Security.

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by chunk_waffle »

It would be absurd to think that some organization _doesn't_ have a _plan_, or perhaps even an entire team prepared, for handling retrieval of an unidentified craft, right? Even if it's never happened, surely there's a plan for handling something weird falling from the sky. That's definitely someone's job...

Now, if that playbook is seen by someone and then goes through several games of telephone I wouldn't be shocked if it turned into "we have retrieved vehicles of non-human origin."

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by stubybubs »

moomoo11 wrote: post #129
orbital-decay wrote: post #104

Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them. Everyone’s already encountered the starting conditions in most other countries. US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. I’m a naturalized US citizen, for example. Could have ended up anywhere but it’s best here in terms of opportunity and making new st…

> with the most insane tech and research

So... Switzerland, which has the Large Hadron Collider? That would probably be the most attractive thing to aliens. Maybe France, which is building ITER? Or the UK with a successful early nuclear fusion test?

I mean it's cool that the US has YouTube and big pieces of metal that shoot smaller pieces of metal and all. Also they launch rockets, but everybody launches rockets. I'm just not sure aliens would be that interested in that, more like "secrets of the universe" type stuff that we're getting closer to.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by stevenhuang »

notatoad wrote: post #142
tmn wrote: post #15

I find this subject fascinating. As the article states, Navy pilots are on record as eye witnesses for this stuff, along with the various radar feeds, etc. I'm curious what HN thinks of the following: There are 3 comprehensive possibilities (correct me if you think differently): 1. These crafts are ET origin 2. These crafts are human origin (secrete military tech or similar) 3. This is a psyop Due to the supposed fee…

why is it always the navy pilots that always see the aliens, and not the commercial pilots. is it because navy pilots are more likely to be flying at some combination of high speed, bad weather conditions, or darkness that tends to make ordinary occurrences look more mysterious?

Commercial pilots see them all the time.

https://www.narcap.org/blog/narcaptr20

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by interfixus »

Close encounters of the blurred kind.

If, at some point in the future, we get small, handy, cheap, good quality cameras that people make a habit of always carrying around, then surely the nature of these phenomena will easily be determined.

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Post by friend_and_foe »

stubybubs wrote: post #693
moomoo11 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them. Everyone’s already encountered the starting conditions in most other countries. US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. I’m a naturalized US citizen, for example. Could have ended up anywhere but it’s best here in terms of opportunity and making new st…

> with the most insane tech and research So... Switzerland, which has the Large Hadron Collider? That would probably be the most attractive thing to aliens. Maybe France, which is building ITER? Or the UK with a successful early nuclear fusion test? I mean it's cool that the US has YouTube and big pieces of metal that shoot smaller pieces of metal and all. Also they launch rockets, but everybody launches rockets. I'm…

You both have a point, but I'd like to add that maybe aliens aren't as interested in shiny things like collider's and plasma and all that, and more interested in organizations of living things that control resource flow across the oceans, which the US does for the entire world. If I was an alien that already understood the bosons and all that, it would be cool to watch a monkey planet figure that out, but I wouldn't learn much. But I could learn from an organizational structure with unilateral force projection capabilities across all specimens of this creature. There are things the US does that are mighty interesting.

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Post by asveikau »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #607
asveikau wrote: post #577

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> All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop Is it me or is the internet really quick to reach this conclusion? It's definitely not the simplest one you can make. "The US government" can hardly pass a budget but is somehow presumed to be super competent at psyops and/or concealing evidence of aliens.

You're confusing the legislative branch with the intelligence community and other participants in the military industrial complex. Yes, Congress is full of incompetent elected officials who "can hardly pass a budget." But the MIC is comprised of highly specialized professionals with careers spanning multiple presidential administrations and dozens of congressional sessions. It is a mistake to assume these people are…

If the military industrial complex is so competent, how come it failed so hard in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Even the "true" conspiracies, like mkultra ... What did all that abuse accomplish? Not much. Unethical? Yes. Murderous? At times. Competent? No. Bumbling fools.

The term "military industrial complex" was meant as a warning about corruption, not that they'd manage to be good at it.

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Post by MichaelMoser123 »

elefanten wrote: post #537
MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #506

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I agree. I mean lets assume it is true: how could the US government have failed a real alien ship? Did the poor aliens fail at filling out some paperwork? I mean this ship had to spend so much energy just to get to us, what else could have failed them?

Seems reasonable that even an intersolar civilization would be subject to bugs, errors, degradation and bad luck. An intersolar trip could’ve damaged a craft far more advanced than what we can make. Could be (perhaps even likely to be) an unpiloted craft. It could be a craft no more technologically advanced than human tech; maybe it’s an alien Voyager 1.

That is possible, strange things happen at sea.

Now in the case that they crashed due to a bug, then the programming profession is safe from program verification and AI, I like that option!

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Post by patmcc »

hayst4ck wrote: post #480

step 1: Throw shit against the wall step 2: See what sticks step 3: Amplify that messaging step 4: Exercise power through providing spectacle and influencing attention step 5: Pacify with spectacle or agitate differences through amplified narratives to create chaos or division Am I insane for thinking that nation state manipulation of social media narrative is a more likely explanation for the upsurge of UFO/alien re…

Anything is a more likely explanation than crash-landed alien spaceships.

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Post by stubybubs »

friend_and_foe wrote: post #696
stubybubs wrote: post #693

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> with the most insane tech and research So... Switzerland, which has the Large Hadron Collider? That would probably be the most attractive thing to aliens. Maybe France, which is building ITER? Or the UK with a successful early nuclear fusion test? I mean it's cool that the US has YouTube and big pieces of metal that shoot smaller pieces of metal and all. Also they launch rockets, but everybody launches rockets. I'm…

You both have a point, but I'd like to add that maybe aliens aren't as interested in shiny things like collider's and plasma and all that, and more interested in organizations of living things that control resource flow across the oceans, which the US does for the entire world. If I was an alien that already understood the bosons and all that, it would be cool to watch a monkey planet figure that out, but I wouldn't…

Sure, you might also be just as interested in a society capable of working towards something like the LHC or ITER, by taking care of its citizens and through diplomacy. I think it's a more interesting goal than controlling the seas so that people can get cheap trinkets from China.

And don't get me wrong, I'm just as addicted to my trinkets from China as anybody else, and I benefit from US hegemony. Just trying to think from a total outsider's perspective.

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