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Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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I love seeing how many people mention Jetbrains as a good example of a subscription model when this topic comes up. I agree. But I think the reason it is good is that a yearly subscription to one of their products can also be seen as a one off purchase of a 1 year older version of that product, with an accompanying free trial of their latest version. Then if you liked that trial, you get a chance to purchase it after…

Rather than the purchase of a “one year older version” I think of Jetbrains as the following (if paying annually) …

Purchase and own the latest version of the product. Get to use (not own) new features and updates for the next year. At the end of the year, optionally repeat the above, albeit at a price discount.

Your paying for the product each year and cleverly incentivized to do so.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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Although one possible problem could be if your hardware breaks down in five years and you want to take that as an opportunity to upgrade instead of doing a simple like-for-like replacement – drivers for then current hardware might not necessarily support old LTSB versions.

Well I think windows 11 has same kernal as 10? So probably drivers will be fine for a good few years also.

I think that's mainly backwards compatibility from the OS with regards to existing drivers, but Windows might still introduce some new APIs that hardware vendors might make use of, thereby rendering new drivers incompatible with older OSs.

Likewise, new CPU and/or chipset generations might require not just new drivers, but dedicated OS support, which in all likelihood won't be backported to the LTSB versions, either.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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They ruined office with … removing Excel’s 64k row limit, better file format, collaborative editing and better data analysis functions?

If you're using a tool like excel to work with data with more than 64,000 rows or analyze data, or if you're collaboratively editing a dataset in a non-version-controlled format... best of luck to you, I'll send flowers to your widow.

It’s great for what it does. You might be surprised at how your bank and accountant get stuff done.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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Not the OP, but I have to disagree too. Creative Cloud, IntelliJ, Figma, Google Workspace, Postman, Spotify, Vercel, Adguard, Google storage space, Alltrails, 1password.. They're all subscriptions and getting better all the time. Meanwhile it's the old purchased software like Windows and Office that get worse with every version.

1Password is objectively getting worse: 1Password 7 has 4.3 stars on the App Store and 1Password 8 has a measly 2.7 stars. 1Password 7 is no longer receiving updates (it's no longer for sale either). 1Password 8 requires iOS 15, so the updates that you're paying for as part of your subscription model require that you pay for a new phone to get them. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/1password-7-password-manager/i... and…

> 1Password 8 requires iOS 15, so the updates that you're paying for as part of your subscription model require that you pay for a new phone to get them.

That assumes that iOS 15 requires a new phone... which isn't the case. Apple generally has an excellent track record of supporting older devices when they release new major OS versions.

Taking a look at the devices that support iOS 15[0], the oldest one appears to be the iPhone 6S... which was released in 2015. So you could theoretically use the new 1Password 8 on iOS 15 on a phone that is 7 years old. No need to pay for a new phone.

[0] https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/supported-models-iphe...

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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I dislike this too, although I can understand arguments for it in software that keeps iterating and (hopefully) improving over time.

I wrote an article about this issue for How-To Geek earlier this year that explores the reasons why the subscription model has become so prevalent: Why Is Everything a Subscription Now?

https://www.howtogeek.com/817963/why-is-everything-a-subscri...

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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I tried Kagi for a couple of weeks and the results were painfully inferior to Google's. I was really hoping they'd be good.

Funny, I've had the exact opposite experience, in most cases. It definitely depends on the query, but Kagi seems to do better at common (for me) queries. In particular, it tends to recommend authoritative sources instead of clickbait/SEO sources (e.g. official documentation instead of w3schools). Google does better at some queries, particularly those that require a bit of parsing of the query text, understanding when…

For me, it's: s/fall back to Google/fall back to StartPage

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What I mean is: StartPage.com is Google results with better filters and without the "bubble" that Google likes to put you in. Although…

I did have to reluctantly block StartPages ads on some puters,though, after they resorted to "make the topmost ads appear right where the topmost results I was alread reading and/or about to click already were". I'd have blocked only the topmost ads, but I timed-out while trying to conjure a better CSS selector. I was mildly annoyed with their "ads look almost the same as results" in recent years, but this latest move may eventually convince me to block StartPage's ads everywhere.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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that's on Apple, not on Syncthing. Guess what, when you lock down your devices so much they can't perform many useful functions. Next time, just get a phone you can actually own.

Yes, purchasing a phone from an advertising company hellbent on gathering as much as they can from you sounds much more positive.

You can erase Google's OS on the Pixel phone fairly easily and replace it with your favorite ROM. In fact one of the reasons I switched to Android is adblocking. I can't stand the amount of ads I had to see on iOS, especially from apps like youtube or even the app store itself.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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Yes. It's the 21st century, artificial scarcity no longer makes any sense. Globally networked computers exist and they trivially render any information abundant at negligible costs. People need new business models. Selling bits doesn't work. Attempting to make it work requires the destruction of free computing as we know it.

> Globally networked computers exist and they trivially render any information abundant at negligible costs So you'll be okay with me photocopying a printed book you published and giving it away for free, because "trivially" is a relative term, and I can certainly "trivially" reproduce your book a million times (compared to 12th century monks copying holy works by hand)? > Attempting to make it work requires the dest…

> So you'll be okay with me

Yes.

> And I suppose copyrighted printed books (and poems, and song lyrics) destroyed "free press" as we know it?

That's not what I was talking about. The destruction of free computing will come about due to copyright enforcement and the technology necessary for its implementation.

Copying is a fundamental computer operation. If I'm in control of the computer, I can make it copy anything including copyrighted works and there's nothing they can do about it. So how do you prevent people from copying whatever they want? You take control of the computer.

This is our reality today. This is their solution to the "allow them to run all programs except those we don't like" problem. Our computers are already pwned right out of the factory. They have inaccessible memory, secure enclaves, ring -3 operating systems overseeing everything, cryptographic checks to ensure the corporation's system hasn't been "tampered with", the works. Apple computers have cryptography that prevents you from running software not blessed by trillion dollar corporations.

With this technology in place, our computing freedom is gone. We can no longer do what we want, only what they allow. It's gonna get way worse. One day we're going to need government signatures to run software because democratized cryptography undermines their authority and is too subversive to be allowed for the common citizen.

I think computers are among the most important inventions of mankind and far too valuable to sacrifice for the sake of irrelevant business models from centuries ago. One would think other Hacker News users would understand and agree since the copyright industry works every day to undermine and destroy everything that's dear to us.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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post #383

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Charging a sub for things like heated seats is obviously broken, but I also don't know if people have an appetite for what the upfront costs would be for many pieces of software that are currently subscription based, in order to provide support for any length of time. Look at the pricing for IDA, which tries to balance having an astonishingly good product, but very limited market, for how this can end up distorted wi…

At least my lament is not so much that it is naked profit seeking, but that it is naked profit seeking that warps the product. In the example of games, that additional revenue stream of day 1 DLC means content being arbitrarily cut off from the game before it's even released. That premium subscription with a +30% XP bonus is often a -30% XP loss for normal players in disguise. Those loot boxes and battle passes are h…

Sure, it's quite possible and often happens that you do day 1 on-disc DLC and other such nonsense based on the warped incentives (though usually, I would say, the specific example of a large XP bonus isn't that they balanced around that and gave everyone -30% afterward, because that leads to horrible backlash like...I think it was Battlefront 2 where the XP system very clearly was not balanced for you not paying, and people threw a huge fit?).

As I said, I'm no more of a fan than anyone else of this, but I don't know what a better alternative here would be. The gap in cost versus upfront price is pretty large, and I doubt many developers could charge $300 or something like that and get a net gain in income.

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