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Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by p3opl3 »

drstewart wrote: post #667
bloqs wrote: post #625

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1.Interesting, the vast majority of these are not work related for me. Maybe one a year is in some way useful 2. I would contest that with sufficient quality screen share this simply so marginal it's dismissable 3. This makes several assumptions about personality and socialising and isn't always the case. Forcing people to see each other does not create social closeness. Sustaining good friendships over instant messa…

>I save 4 hours a day lost to transport being forced to listen to podcasts and have more meaningful work and play time as a result. Man, people are really starting to stretch their commute times. Actually no, I save 8 hours a day commuting! No, 16! No, 350395803 hours! Let's be 100% honest: you did not spend 4 hours a day commuting pre-WFH. You just didn't.

If you can't afford to live in London - pretty normal. No one mentions the constant delays, no air-con train and tubes.. changing stations walking the rest of the way.

My commute without delays and everything is on time is about 1hour and 25 mins.. with delays.. you can see how this easily can get close to 2 hours.. delays no transport in the UK.. are almost daily.. it's the only thing they do consistently.

"Let's be 100% honest: you did not spend 4 hours a day commuting pre-WFH. You just didn't." - This comment tells me you're either lucky enough not to have to commute in a big city.. or are rich enough to live in the city you work in.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by dougmwne »

rawtxapp wrote: post #22
plusCubed wrote: post #16

Interesting, similar to Google[1]... I wonder if 3 days in-person will be the new paradigm for big tech companies. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/6/22422518/google-hybrid-wor...

FWIW, Google afterwards opened up the possibility of full-remote work (saying they expect ~20% of the workforce to do that iirc), but individual PAs will need to come up with actual guidelines which are due in a couple of weeks.

A huge win for WFH advocates. They must have had one to many high value employees threaten to quit.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by LatteLazy »

habosa wrote: post #690

Having to come in on Wednesdays and Fridays means you can't even divide up your week into two blocks. If it was Monday/Friday WFH then you'd be at home for 4 days (Fri-Mon) and then in for 3 days (Tue-Thur). That would open up some interesting options for work/life balance that aren't there when you have to switch work locations multiple times a week.

Exactly. You could actually do something with that. This is a pre-step to a full return to the office....

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by dougmwne »

SnowProblem wrote: post #526
SubuSS wrote: post #514

I remember someone trying to justify college over self-educating (quality varying all the way from coursera to Wikipedia to YouTube to Facebook): you just don’t learn the same way anywhere else. Being with your peers, having your ideas cross examined in real-time and having direct and personal feedback is invaluable. I think the same applies to wfh. Yes it is fun, yes I like that I avoid commute, but I’ve also become…

Funny. I felt the exact same about college classes as wfh. 90% of the time, classes were unnecessary, and I could do the readings and exercises on my own to learn the material better. Everyone also said office hours were so great, but I always found them a waste. On the flip side, no professors know my name, and I can't remember them either. In contrast, my wife went to a popular liberal arts schools, has several pro…

Many classes seem to derive 0 benefit from being in person. The help you can get online for a subject like statistics is light years beyond the classroom. If you can self motivate, both individual education and remote work can be your superpowers.

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Post by HPsquared »

colinmhayes wrote: post #562
swader999 wrote: post #496

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Ebike next time. Mod the motor. You can still pedal and sweat if you want.

The exercise is a large part of what is enjoyable about bike commuting.

You can pedal to your heart's content, but with the motor you will be going faster than you would otherwise.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by sinstein »

It appears that everyone mentions commute as a massive energy/time sink that erases many potential benefits of working in office. Every other claimed benefit of WFH is all very subjective and you will either enjoy it or not enjoy it.

But so many of us actually stay very close to our work places. Commute is either 15 mins one way or sometimes even lesser.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by IMTDb »

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #666
deanCommie wrote: post #445

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You don't have to commute. You chose to commute. You maybe did it for a larger house. Or maybe for cheaper rent/mortgage. We're not talking here about folks on minimum wage who can only afford to live 2 hours outside of the city they are working in. The highly paid software engineers on hackernews could absolutely afford to live 5 minutes from the office, 30 minutes from the office, or 2 hours from the office. They c…

> You don't have to commute. You chose to commute. Are you suggesting people live at the office?

No: close by. As in : within 30 minutes of (electric) biking distance.

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Post by johnchristopher »

bloaf wrote: post #276
slavapestov wrote: post #186

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What are you doing your job for if not to collect a paycheck?

Work thou for pleasure; paint or sing or carve The thing thou lovest, though the body starve. Who works for glory misses oft the goal; Who works for money coins his very soul; Work for the work's sake, then, and it may be That these things shall be added unto thee.

> In 1882 Cox left Paris and moved to New York where he continued to paint. He also began to do many illustrations, mostly to pay the bills. Kenyon became well established as a magazine illustrator. His illustrations reached a much wider audience than did his paintings.

> Cox also began to write art criticisms (unsigned) for the New York Evening Post. This and other writing jobs took Kenyon's time away from painting but also helped him make a living.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by dkdbejwi383 »

IMTDb wrote: post #698
dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #666

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> You don't have to commute. You chose to commute. Are you suggesting people live at the office?

No: close by. As in : within 30 minutes of (electric) biking distance.

So... within commuting distance?
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