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Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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That Apple is unfairly privileging its own ads business. It's a tough cookie though; the offending behavior is simply Apple's truthful (if arguably hyperbolic) notice and consent popup.

iAds will definitely be privileged. If you read the documentation on what is available to Apple vs. others, you will see Apple's own ad business will definitely benefit from this.

You mean iAd that was discontinued in 2016?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAd

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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That Apple is unfairly privileging its own ads business. It's a tough cookie though; the offending behavior is simply Apple's truthful (if arguably hyperbolic) notice and consent popup.

iAds will definitely be privileged. If you read the documentation on what is available to Apple vs. others, you will see Apple's own ad business will definitely benefit from this.

Wikipedia said iAd have been discontinued. Did I miss something?

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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I don't see this happening, unless The Zuck has some sort of Scrooge moment. He just doesn't seem the type.

I get where you're coming from, but you have to remember how hated Microsoft was 20 year ago, and remember that Zuck is already doing charitable work.

hateOfMS != hateOfFB

MS "just" used it's behavior to ensure it was the dominate OS, and made some hardware products to boot. They had some questionable telemetry stuff going on, and with the latest OS joined the slimey ad stuff after everyone else had already paved that particular road to hell for them.

FB is much much creepier in all of the information they gather about people without them being aware of it. Not just what/who they follow, but they have insights into their user's financial/spending info, health/medical, and plenty of other stuff that is just too damn much. And they way the implemented it so that they follow you around to gather that info without you even coming close to using their site.

In my opinion, it's just not even the same sport let alone ballpark.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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I don't have Facebook and I'm generally skeptical of Apple's pro-privacy messaging. However, seeing this response from Facebook has gotten me very excited for this update. There must be more to it then Apple's generic 'Most Advanced Update Ever' marketing. I'm still skeptical of Apple's commitment to privacy, but I'm certainly happy to get this update. Apple should thank Facebook for the free marketing.

I'm skeptical as well considering Apple selectively leaves gaping holes depending on levels of public knowledge (e.g. talk a big game on encryption, but don't encrypt iCloud backups while using dark patterns nudging users towards using iCloud backups). This is definitely good for privacy in the short term, but long term will depend on if Apple decides to monetize this data themselves.

Most of iCloud backups are encrypted with your PIN — the one you unlock your phone. Some more sensitive data are backup only if you choose backup locally

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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post #371

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You're right that it's more of a difference in degree and not kind. That said, the difference in degree is so vast as to be consequential. It's trivially easy to switch phone platforms (in the last 7 years, I've flip flopped between Android and iOS twice). In contrast, it's extremely difficult and disruptive to uproot your life and move countries; and that also presupposes that the destination country is willing to a…

In business terms, however, it's much easier to target consumers of a different country than of a different App Store. Even if you blacklist the top two countries, US and China, you still have a lot of consumers largely in India and Europe to buy your product. If you blacklist two major app stores it's effectively impossible to make money developing apps. This isn't bad for consumers, it's bad for producers.

Producers in this instance are fairly described as "software developers", correct?

I think you'll find we have more than two customers for our wares.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Between this privacy fight and the form factor of the iPhone Mini, there's a 90% chance my next phone will be an iPhone after more than a decade on Android. I'm done with this ad-sponsored trash ecosystem.

I've been on Android for a decade as well but just got an iPad mini. The one thing I still cannot figure out how to do on iOS is block ads at the system level. Android has lots of apps that act as a VPN that block ads/trackers via DNS. It blocks ads in the browser, but also in apps. I can't find the equivalent on iOS. All my searches lead to ad blockers using Safari's content blocking, but the VPN-style ad blockers a…

I use NextDNS [1] and I’m very happy with it so far. It works on the DNS level. So far for our entire home we’ve never gone above the free level once, but I’m happy to pay as soon as we do.

[1]: https://nextdns.io/

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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It's already like myspace. Facebook is giving me super trashy friend suggestions of random foreign women with slightly suggestive pictures, and aside from my demographic I can't think of anything I've personally done on or off the internet which would make them good friend suggestions.

Sometimes I wonder if maybe Facebook’s algorithm is amazing and these people could become best friends. But I tried this a few times and they all sucked. I suspect it’s as stupid as ranking all members based on some dumb algorithm like “25 year olds like females, this is a female” and just shoveling garbage. Years ago Facebook just kept recommending people I hated over and over. I wish they would have a mode of “you’…

I would assume even trying to click on these profiles just once shows more “engagement“ and that’s the only thing companies like this “understand”.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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I'm skeptical as well considering Apple selectively leaves gaping holes depending on levels of public knowledge (e.g. talk a big game on encryption, but don't encrypt iCloud backups while using dark patterns nudging users towards using iCloud backups). This is definitely good for privacy in the short term, but long term will depend on if Apple decides to monetize this data themselves.

The don’t collect this data. How could they monetize it?

iPhone users must login to use the phone. Those users need to provide valid identification info considering the phone is linked to their phone service account. Combine that with apple defining every single action the phone takes, they could easily flip a switch to start collecting "anonymized" data.

Or they could simply update the data-sharing default to "Yes" and 75%+ would never disable it.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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https://9to5mac.com/2019/11/15/apple-ad-revenue/

At 2 billion it’s < 1% their revenue (265b)

Yes I'm hoping that should be enough to dampen their ambitions

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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It's a nice bit of semantic ju-jitsu to say "they take this data and sell a service that wouldn't be possible without it" isn't the same as "selling this data," isn't it? Especially given that the targeting mechanisms don't have any k-anonymity guarantees, and I'm aware of at least one paper showing information leaks through the ad portal [1] https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/public_events/122...

They really don’t sell it. You certainly say they exploit it on behalf of their customers, but we need to maintain the distinction between this, and the companies that actually do sell the data they collect, because once sold, you can never trace who is using the data, whereas with Facebook and Google’s model, you can. It’s also worth pointing out that it’s not in Facebook’s interest to sell the data. If they did, th…

i agree that there is a difference but the Cambridge Analytica scandal told a different story regarding how much your data is safe within Facebook
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