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Post by paxys »

noncoml wrote: post #422
apple_innocent wrote: post #337

"In 2010, DNA sequencing company Complete Genomics said that "an interruption of services by Amazon Web Services, on whom we rely to deliver finished genomic data to our customers, would result in our customers not receiving their data on time." Gaming company Zynga warned about how its AWS foundation could quickly vanish when it filed the prospectus for its initial public offering in 2011. "AWS may terminate the agr…

My suggestion that governments shouldn't rely on third-parties for their infra, didn't go down well with HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25639520

For a valid reason. The government isn't a tech company or an infrastructure provider. You wouldn't ask the government to build their own roads or bridges, so like everything else software and services need to be contracted out as well. Of course that doesn't mean they should use AWS by default, but asking every single government agency to build their own data centers and CDNs is foolish.

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Post by smsm42 »

DarmokJalad1701 wrote: post #500
smsm42 wrote: post #410

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> smeared feces, stole laptops > absolutely an insurrection attempt. You must have a really low bar for "insurrection". If stealing a laptop is "insurrection", by that bar looting a Target - which we witnessed the whole 2020 - would be a Galactic War or something.

> If stealing a laptop is "insurrection" Stealing a laptop from a federal government facility while attempting to overturn an election's results and possibly assassinate elected officials, is an "insurrection".

Except nobody "attempted to overturn" anything and assassinate anybody. How would they even do it - would the buffalo guy strike them with his horns and then declare himself The Supreme Ruler?

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Post by brandonmenc »

XorNot wrote: post #627
smichel17 wrote: post #587

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Can we get some number or range for "lots of"? I imagine those words mean wildly different things (1-2 orders of magnitude) to different people.

I mean pipe bombs were found at both political party headquarters, so how many bombs is enough to be serious?

Hundreds, at least.

https://time.com/4501670/bombings-of-america-burrough/

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Post by mdoms »

smsm42 wrote: post #404
stolen_biscuit wrote: post #330

A portion of your citizens were called to storm your nations capital by a President who refuses to accept the results of a democratic election. The very foundation of your democracy has been eroded. Do not pretend the people who are frightened of these actions are overreacting. Democracy is a fragile thing, and you have a portion of your population who attempted to take a hammer to it. Don't pretend this is a narrati…

> The very foundation of your democracy has been eroded. That would be a crappy democracy if it could be eroded by a bunch of idiots taking an unauthorized Whitehouse tour. Fortunately, absolutely nothing happened to the democracy and it proceeded on its course. What could actually erode the democracy is nation giving up on free speech. That'd be a real sign of nation in severe distress. > I don't listen to your news…

> That would be a crappy democracy if it could be eroded by a bunch of idiots taking an unauthorized Whitehouse tour

That's not what happened at all but regardless yes, you're right. It's a very crappy democracy you have over there. Americans would do well to take a look around at better nations.

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Post by jacquesm »

sanderjd wrote: post #649
mistermann wrote: post #358

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Can you articulate a plausible (does not rely on significant speculation or hypotheticals) series of events at the Capitol incident that could have resulted in democracy being legitimately lost in America? I am unable to come up with one.

This is a very easy exercise: instead of cowering while letting other people take risks in his name, President Trump walks over to the Capitol. With him at the head of the column, many more people storm the building (the Capitol police likely don't put up a fight because nobody told them to fight the President), they occupy the building and take representatives hostage. At this point in time there is no longer a demo…

I'd hate to see that put to the test but what you describe could well have happened.

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Post by dragonwriter »

colordrops wrote: post #658
dragonwriter wrote: post #502

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> Lastly, one of the main reasons these people are getting violent is because they are suffering, in poverty, without jobs, and recognize that something is seriously wrong society. Yeah, if you look at the people detained and identified in the Capitol riot, they aren't people who got violent because they were suffering, in poverty, or without jobs; they are largely middle class and up, currently employed, well-establ…

I don't know the veracity of your statement, but censorship, particularly of right wing narratives, has been a hot topic for a long time, not just after the capitol riot. Your statement would imply that the massive support for Trump is only due to people wanting to protect their privilege. You are denying reality by ignoring the vast swath of poor people that voted for Trump because he claimed he would address their…

> Your statement would imply that the massive support for Trump is only due to people wanting to protect their privilege

No, I was addressing a claim about why people are becoming violent in the context of the Capitol insurrection (which, while a large mob, is not a large or representative share of Trump supporters).

Why that narrow group is getting violent and why the much larger group of Trump supporters support Trump have no necessary relation; they are different effects and different groups of people, but if you want to change topics from the violent fringe to Trump support mother generally...

> You are denying reality by ignoring the vast swath of poor people that voted for Trump because he claimed he would address their needs.

Trump lost most decisively among the poor, and won the better-off. This is an undeniable fact.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1184428/presidential-ele...

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Post by sdenton4 »

sdenton4 wrote: post #685
zanmat0 wrote: post #572

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>The explicit goal was to disrupt congressional proceedings as part of a plan to overturn election results. And then what? Once the mob was cleared out, they would have resumed. There's a chasm between disrupting proceedings and actually taking over a country. The latter also almost always involved having control of the military by the way.

The plan is to continue creating escalating chaos, and grasp whatever advantage is available in the aftermath while people who care about things like laws and constitutions throw their hands on the air and declare their shock and dismay. This is how autocrats work. Actually responding effectively and shutting this shit down is how you keep a constitutional government from sliding directly into an autocracy. Hemming a…

Actually, to continue, this is hacker news! So let's use an appropriate software analogy. Think of it as fuzzing the interface of constitutional democracy. You can throw chaos at it until you find an exploit.

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Post by eunos »

apple_innocent wrote: post #337

"In 2010, DNA sequencing company Complete Genomics said that "an interruption of services by Amazon Web Services, on whom we rely to deliver finished genomic data to our customers, would result in our customers not receiving their data on time." Gaming company Zynga warned about how its AWS foundation could quickly vanish when it filed the prospectus for its initial public offering in 2011. "AWS may terminate the agr…

Gov is pretty sure has a far stronger leverage than AWS. For example, if AWS cancels unilaterally Gov contracts, Gov will show that as Exhibit A of the need of Anti Trust.

Anyway, if Gov can procure cloud services, they should procure multiple providers and design their service as a cloud agnostic system.

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Post by dragonwriter »

caseysoftware wrote: post #688
dragonwriter wrote: post #645

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> Who would be President on Jan 20?' - if the vote to approve the electoral results on Jan 6th were not completed [...] Bonus points if you can tell us how the 20th Amendment clarifies that for us. Nancy Pelosi. Amendment XX: “The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January [...] If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, o…

^ Exactly. There are lots of unclear and open to interpretation areas of law but this isn't one of them. We have a well-established process with clear steps which apply in good times and bad times, whether any of the players like them at the moment or not. It's not tough but people have to discard their conspiracy theories in favor of facts, laws, and reason.

> It's not tough but people have to discard their conspiracy theories in favor of facts, laws, and reason.

OTOH, one should not ignore conspiracy theories if one is trying to explain the actions of Q cultists.

Just because there is a clear reality doesn’t mean that every actor is motivated by that rather than a distorted, conspiracy-theory driven one on which fringe or outright untenable theories of law are among the basic operating premises.

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Post by stale2002 »

AshWolfy wrote: post #611
ganoushoreilly wrote: post #513

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So what about rioters burning the entrance and exit to Ted Wheelers home in Portland (which he wasn't even present at)? Would you agree the actions there were also attempts at murder and destruction of property of a duly elected official? To act like the past year has had nothing in comparison to insanity .. is well insane. Theses Capital idiots are just that Idiots and they'll see time in court. What's not clear is…

Maybe Ted Wheeler shouldnt have gassed peaceful protesters, passing drivers, and literally just entire neighborhoods

You are given a justification for "insurrection" activities.

The other person was merely saying that such "insurrection" activities happened.

If you want to agree that they happened, but you simply think they were justified, well you are not disagreeing with the original statement.

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