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Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Does anyone use /Documents? That's just a folder where Apps like Acrobat put garbage files.

I'm on Mac OSX and almost all my non-programming files are in /Downloads. Maybe some other HN-ers have a better folder management technique than mine (which basically is absent), I'm curious what that is.

I have the opposite problem. I abhor things sitting in Downloads because I pretty frequently wipe out that folder to clear out the garbage.

But I struggle to follow a consistent structure, so it could be in Documents or Notes, or a random folder somewhere else because I ignored my hierarchy in a hurry.

Honestly, now if I need to make sure I keep something, I upload it to Google Drive. It sucks for privacy, but their search is good enough that I rarely need to use the hierarchy. The hierarchy is now mostly to group things I want to perform actions on together.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Beyond the information security risk around the loss of this specific device, what really worries me is the physical security implications here. I'm certainly no expert on the subject, but it seems to me like, in a building like the US Capitol, it should not be anywhere near this easy for unauthorized people to waltz into an office or conference room in the first place. Let alone walk away with items from within that…

I've traveled to countries before whose offices of government are behind very large fences, protected by unfriendly looking men standing behind heavy machine guns in armored vehicles – and the guide books are very clear that you are not to take photos of them. I much prefer the approach taken in the USA, where our offices of government are accessible to the people that the government serves. It's very good that I can…

> protected by unfriendly looking men standing behind heavy machine guns

Just a few months ago that is exactly what the steps of the US Capitol looked like [1].

Even when disabled people try to protest there they are removed by force [2]

They have no trouble keeping people out they really don't want inside, it seems.

But when people show up wearing body armour and carrying weapons, for some reason they are not stopped.

[1] https://twitter.com/oliviamunn/status/1346933669869481986

[2] https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a12466578/disabled-pro...

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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I guess the bright spot of all this is we haven't heard anyone talking about abolishing the police for a couple days now.

Speak for yourself. Illinois just proposed House Bill 163 to greatly limit police.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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> Entirely different situation. The reason that people need to talk with the legislature is because those are the people’s representatives. Totally different, were it not for the fact the president is also the Chief of State: The chief public representative of a country. Besides, even if this wasn't the case, humor me and suppose it was (which it actually is), would you then conclude that the president should simply…

I think you’ve mischaracterized the discussion. Where did anyone say any of the things you are claiming? The statement was simply that the People have a right to entry into the building and physical access to lawmakers and the law making process. Further, the statement is that access is a foundational principle to the US implementation of liberal democracy since our Nation’s founding. It’s so foundational that it’s a…

No, now you're mischaracterising me. All this while I've spoken about implementation, I've never claimed that the public should not have access to representatives. I've claimed that it must be implemented according to the conditions necessary to ensure it is orderly and secure.

Indeed, access is the default. And in a village with a handful of visits and no armed psychopats plotting to kill your local representative, that default is all you need and may proceed as such.

But as you'll agree, the chief public representative (the president) lives in a different reality. Public unfettered access is a threat to his life. And while the public should have a form of access regardless, practically a 300 million to 1 communication relationship doesn't work, so you must implement it accordingly, differently. That's why most presidents had a habit of spending an hour a day reading letters from citizens, hosting debates, participating in public forums, holding press conferences, inviting people to the white house to discuss, speaking to various organisations representing people's causes etc. But walking into his office at 4PM to speak to the president? That's a joke. I'm fully aware that in a democracy a public servant works for the public, no need to discuss the ideal. I'm discussing the practical implementation, which is why I started with the village vs capitol example, which sees different outcomes on the basis of the same principles, which is exactly because the ideals are the same but the implementation cannot be. Similarly, you would organize access to certain parts of the capitol in a secure manner, e.g. those parts of the capitol holding a laptop of the speaker of the house.

In a post 9/11 world you cannot just say the capitol belongs to the people and access should be free (again, obviously talking about practice, not ideals, here), without concluding in the same breath that it should be freely accessible to any terrorist as well. And it's just an example. This week it were people thinking they were sent by Q or incited by Trump to de-facto participate in a coup (i.e. storming the capitol to prevent an elected official from being confirmed, while spreading propagandistic lies that the election was stolen, a direct attack on the democracy if you ask me). Next week it might be a psychopath thinking he is doing god's work. And yes, times have changed, if you're also interested in discussing how airport security used to be different back in the day, be my guest, I don't see the point.

Plenty of countries have well-functioning (and by many subjective and objective measures, better functioning) democracies, with high-level access to public representatives, while taking proper security and practicality measures.

> It’s so foundational that it’s also quite literally built into the building as there are galleries for public viewing of Senate and House proceedings.

You say some of these things as if access to public viewing of proceedings isn't the norm in countless democracies worldwide. But if I go to a viewing, I go through this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25690107

Not because I don't have access, but precisely because I do, as does everyone else, and that creates risks, which can be mitigated without reducing access. A basic measure which would've prevented the debacle at the Capitol altogether.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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From what I've read, full disk encryption was optional in the House until very recently. If this was a shared machine it's almost certainly not encrypted.

full disk encryption is also possible with a shared computer. TPM and PBA are some keywords

Absolutely it's possible, but as it was a shared computer, it's also likely to be one of the oldest in the fleet. It's also likely to be one that no one bothers to ask for specific attention to. As a result, it's likely that no full disk encryption was ever applied.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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When they let you walk in quietly, yeah. You can stretch language all you want until it has no meaning, but "storming" has a definition, and it isn't "people I don't like went somewhere I didn't want them to go." u/doomslice did post an example of something that would be considered "storming." https://www.thefreedictionary.com/storming 5. A violent disturbance or upheaval, as in political, social, or domestic affairs…

Why not post the verb definitions directly below the noun definitions you posted? 1. To assault or capture suddenly: The troops stormed the fortress. See Synonyms at attack. 2. To travel around (a place) vigorously in an attempt to gain support: The candidates stormed the country. 3. To shout angrily: "Never!" she stormed. Even if you're pretending that there was no violence in the event that left 5 people dead and m…

I was talking about the action of walking though a door when the guards opened the doors and allowed them in. If you want to strawman things I say to feel better about yourself, have fun.

2/3 have no relevance to the situation, and 1 requires an assault. So, no, they don’t “all apply.”

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Hilarious, but definitely not a spy. The Russians aren't so amateur as to send an undercover agent to the US who can't speak English. If they missed the opportunity at the Capitol the other day to plant listening devices though, they must be kicking themselves now.

Spies aren't the same as we see in the movies. Remember CIA field operatives used chip bags to hide their cell phones' signal. Clearly they never tried calling those phones to test...

To be fair the CIA operatives likely saw the chip bag trick in a movie. Art emulates life emulates art.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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And the real damage was to our rule of law. That was already accomplished when the supposed President directed a mob against congress. The actual level of violence done by the mob is relatively tame. Shooting a bunch of people in the halls of Congress isn't going to stop the damage to the rule of law. And it would have what? Prevented a few laptops from being stolen, a couple doors from being broken down, etc. It's n…

There’s photographs of one of the “peaceful” protestors in bdus and a helmet with zip ties, and there was multiple videos of the mob yelling to grab the politicians. It was relatively peaceful because congress was able to evacuate before they could be kidnapped and held hostage, with them safely away the pipe bombs wouldn’t have had much point.

I don’t know anyone calling that peaceful.

Which is contrast of the “mostly peaceful” protests that involved arson and beatings.

This is just as bad but everyone acknowledges it.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Why do you think any of your rogue nation club have any interest hacking US politicians , except for, probably, blackmail? US is an open society, and most US politicians speak what they think, or at least you can guess, or even ask them yourself! Those people are like open books. Unlike of your usual cabal totalitarians, who either don't speak at all, or purposefully try to hide their real aims by engaging in double…

Seems safe to assume that the Speaker of the House and her aides would have access to classified national intelligence that might not be open to the world, and would be valuable in it's own right. Things like progress and updates with Covid vaccines, their deployment plans, and lack of security around them would make information like it ripe for the black market and adversary governments in these times.

Black market? Legislators use that info on the stock market. Somebody is going to go Robinhood on defense, construction and pharma stocks with that laptop.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Possible? Very. Likelihood of the computer's login password and thus hard drive decryption key attached to the computer's screen with a post-it note thus obviating the protection gained from full disk encryption? On a shared computer, high.

The user doesn't need to enter a password if they are using a TPM.

If they stole the laptop, they also stole the TPM inside the laptop, so having the key stored there doesn't help.
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