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India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by baddox »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #551
baddox wrote: post #448

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Then the outcome is that a country can claim to support free trade while deliberately not supporting free trade, since "it's the other countries' fault."

No, they can't. If the US were to ban Chinese apps, and then China relented and allowed in American apps, and then the US kept the ban, that would make the hypocrisy clear. You could even made it explicit in the law, similar to what the EU is doing for travel reciprocity now that the coronavirus situation isn't as bad: have the text of the law explicitly say that the ban automatically lifts if the other country coope…

That’s exactly what I’m saying. To actually get free trade a country has to refuse to reciprocate in trade restrictions. This is my point, it’s not “free trade” for one country to match other countries’ restrictions on trade.

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Post by airstrike »

YarickR2 wrote: post #689
airstrike wrote: post #674

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> Im thinking as a French I had to fight a lot with free speech absolutists abroad, while at home we're quite okay with selective censorship... it sounds scary to an American sometimes, but hell we dont care :D I'm not surprised you're being downvoted as I've tried to make this point with American friends before and gotten the same reaction 10/10 times. To use a very topical example: in other jurisdictions outside of…

Oh. But can I think about something illegal ? Can I write something illegal down on paper ? Say something illegal quietly ? Can I say something illegal loudly in the middle of the forest ? Saying something is just a way to make your thoughts known by others. Thought police, and thought crime are just a tear drop away, it seems.

Sorry, but that's called the slippery slope fallacy

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Post by simplify »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #602
simplify wrote: post #590

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> The reality is that Chinese firms and government operates together intimately In China, the government has more power than corporations. In the US, corporations have more power than the government.

Which FAANG has nukes?

Who controls the military?

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Post by tomohawk »

The Chinese government moved in martial artists and elite alpine troops to the area. Shortly there after, a number of unarmed Indian soldiers end up dead in the same area.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/china-sent-marti...

This is small potatoes compared to the concentration camps and genocide and ethic cleansing being forced on Tibet and East Turkistan (what CCP calls Xinjiang). Or to the forced harvesting of organs from living political dissidents.

https://chinatribunal.com/

What will it take?

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Post by kinghtown »

intended wrote: post #525
bad_user wrote: post #505

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Well no, a claim is made and that is... unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. And this is then used as an argument in debates such as this one. Are there documented cases of this happening or is it just a wild guess? My bet is on the later.

There is empirical evidence from the multiple natural experiments that happened on subreddits at the start of Reddit. I personally had to come up with arguments to justifiably censor people to stop the sub I became a part of, from becoming more of a chess pool. I was a card carrying member of the market place of ideas/ free speech camp till 12-13 years ago, at which point it was clearer to me that giving free speech…

> 1) they weren’t there for free speech in the first place, just for indoctrination.

This is such a great point and to me rings absolutely true.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by gbraad »

saltedonion wrote: post #42

India is absolutely right in banning TikTok as it is a significant national securities threat. As long as the platforms recommendation and ranking algos are a black box, there is no guarantee that China isn’t conducting misinformation campaigns via the platform. At the very least, the government should audit the algos and make sure China can’t arbitrarily alter ranking results.

> At the very least, the government should audit the algos and make sure China can’t arbitrarily alter ranking results.

Can we do the same for YouTube ?!

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Post by rammy1234 »

This is going to empower startups in India. To create things in India. Every country needs to go product route. Create more than consumption. we will get variety as well as fosters creativity. One thing for sure empowering startup culture is a game changer for india IMO

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by sameerds »

What surprises me is that the discussion here is taking the original article at face value. Sure, the Indian govt is citing national security as the reason for the ban. But take a slightly cynical view, and focus your attention on this sentence:

"Jayanth Kolla, an analyst at research firm Convergence Catalyst, told TechCrunch the move was surprising and will have huge impact on Chinese firms, many of which count India as their biggest market."

That's the real reason. This is just posturing between two neighbouring countries who are currently involved in a border dispute. There is already a lot of military posturing, a lot of diplomatic posturing and now a lot of market posturing, which includes the Internet.

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Post by Bjartr »

airstrike wrote: post #676
shaftoe wrote: post #650

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The idea that restrictions in human liberty are subject to when "a national community agrees on something" is laughable at best and evil at worst.

> laughable at best and evil at worst. Forgive me for not just taking your word for it. Citation needed. Even your freedom of speech is subject to certain restrictions in the US – you can't make violent verbal threats to people, to name one example. The problem with Law is that laymen opinions seem to matter even less than in other domains.

I think it had to do with how other domains often have new words for things specific to it, but law, in addition to that, frequently redefines existing words and phrases to mean extremely specific things in particular legal contexts. These redefinitions often are not intuitive to the everyday user of the word or phrase. IMO, this is a big reason why lay opinions seem to matter less. That is, they are often commenting on a message that differs from the actual content of the legal text to such a degree as to be "not even wrong", as it were.

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Post by [deleted] »

mthoms wrote: post #466
learnstats2 wrote: post #322

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>As long as the platforms recommendation and ranking algos are a black box All platforms recommendation and ranking algos are ultimately a black box. Why is TikTok special here?

TikTok is controlled by an authoritarian dictatorship engaged in a war against Western/Democratic values and human rights.

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