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Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by _coveredInBees »

tekknik wrote: post #687
_coveredInBees wrote: post #677

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Having to use a keyboard modifier and a mouse right-click and then traversing down a menu to pick the correct option to copy the path is indeed annoying. It really should be one or the other, and ideally you should be able to do the same both ways because it is a lot faster to just be able to do it via keyboard shortcuts if you are used to navigating your filemanager via keyboard. Windows also lets you Shift+right cl…

i feel like you’re complaining about minor issues. if you really find this one thing annoying enough to write off a whole OS then you’re being a bit ridiculous. most of us are tech savvy so why are you using the GUI anyways when you have unix? either way, to each their own.

I mean you seem overly defensive about this. Firstly, I never said that I wrote off the entire OS because of this... you are just putting words in my mouth. I did state that Finder feels like a very subpar file manager compared to Windows Explorer and I completely stand behind that.

Lastly, it is absolutely absurd to excuse a poor file manager by saying that you should just use a terminal anyways. There are plenty of reasons to still use a file manager over the terminal, even if you are an "elite" unix God.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by tekknik »

GordonS wrote: post #679
tekknik wrote: post #664

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last i checked microsoft still doesn’t have scheduled boot times (granted this would likely be a bios setting on windows boxes) so i’d have to leave my PC on overnight to run the updates. it’s a bandaid, not a fix for the update problem.

You can use Task Scheduler to stop/start your PC at specific times.

Do you have anything to point to how to startup a windows box from cold boot using the Task Scheduler? Either I'm failing at google atm or you still have to schedule startup through the BIOS

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by tekknik »

_coveredInBees wrote: post #691
tekknik wrote: post #687

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i feel like you’re complaining about minor issues. if you really find this one thing annoying enough to write off a whole OS then you’re being a bit ridiculous. most of us are tech savvy so why are you using the GUI anyways when you have unix? either way, to each their own.

I mean you seem overly defensive about this. Firstly, I never said that I wrote off the entire OS because of this... you are just putting words in my mouth. I did state that Finder feels like a very subpar file manager compared to Windows Explorer and I completely stand behind that. Lastly, it is absolutely absurd to excuse a poor file manager by saying that you should just use a terminal anyways. There are plenty of…

"I mean you seem overly defensive about this."

Listen to yourself, you're complaining about a keystroke + mouse combo, it seems petty especially in a world with macros.

"Firstly, I never said that I wrote off the entire OS because of this... you are just putting words in my mouth. I did state that Finder feels like a very subpar file manager compared to Windows Explorer and I completely stand behind that."

You're correct, my apologies.

"Lastly, it is absolutely absurd to excuse a poor file manager by saying that you should just use a terminal anyways. There are plenty of reasons to still use a file manager over the terminal, even if you are an "elite" unix God."

Please name some? Things like viewing docs and photos, sure. However `cd ~/Pictures && open .`. When navigating via the terminal a copy of the working directory is one command away "pwd | pbcopy". You are complaining about having to have your hand on the mouse and keyboard at the same time, and seem to take more offense at the mouse side of it so perhaps I wrongly assumed you were a keyboard power user. As far as productivity for finding and managing files I very much doubt the GUI is more productive, but maybe that's just me (it's not).

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by LaSombra »

dkonofalski wrote: post #564
LaSombra wrote: post #557

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> and have several chargers and USB devices plugged in just via the 4 USB-C/Thunderbolt ports. You may have missed the YubiKey and the wired network. :-)

I did not. You can still use those with a USB-C computer. I still don't see where the issue is.

Getting all of the together without needing a USB-C hub or dock.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by necovek »

jamesponddotco wrote: post #461
asjw wrote: post #446

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> My Ubuntu machine — which I built to edit photos and game — currently runs on a Threadripper 2950X with two VEGA 64 GPUs. It should be a beast, and it is, but the entire computer freezes from time to time and requires a hard reboot to come back to life. That's the story with all the assembled pcs out there. Something is faulty, replace it. When I stopped doing it myself and started buying workstations with an actua…

I commented above, but this is not faulty hardware — the same issue do not happen in Windows 10 or Ubuntu 18.04, for example. The whole point of leaving macOS for me was to be able to build my own hardware without spending an insane amount of money. You think MacBooks are expensive in the US, come to Brazil and try to buy one.

The fact that other software does not complain does not mean it is not faulty/mismatched hardware. Linux will frequently trigger more faults (as an example, since it aggressively uses entire memory as filesystem cache, memory problems are highlighted even when Windows runs just fine).

Similarly, new drivers might be stressing the system in a way the old ones didn't (eg. cooling might be insufficient).

Not saying that is happening for you, but the fact that older Ubuntu or Windows work correctly is not an indicator of trouble-free hardware.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by donkeyd »

Aeolun wrote: post #641
donkeyd wrote: post #193

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Things change, deal with it. I've swapped USB cables to USB-C cables. Only USB drives, which i rarely use anymore require an adapter. Meanwhile, I can use all 4 ports to: - Run a display - Charge my laptop - Charge a phone - Connect a drive I can even use a single port to both charge the laptop and run a screen with multiple USB devices attached to it. I now need to daisy chain converters to use my PS/2 mouse on my M…

I mean, that’s fantastic for you, but not everyone has the money to just upgrade all of their equipment the moment a port changes, so we’re forced to buy $100 adapters for everything. It’d be fun if at least the iPhone was chargeable with usb-c, but even that requires an adapter.

That's such weird reasoning. You spend over 1k (3k in my case) to get the latest version of a premium brand laptop, but can't afford the cables? Those cables cost $2-5 each on AliExpress. If that's too much, you definitely shouldn't be spending over 1k on a laptop.

Also, there are usb-c to lightning cables, so I'm not sure why you think you need an adapter.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by esotericn »

kerkeslager wrote: post #647
esotericn wrote: post #560

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It works for you, yes. This entire page and thread of comments exists because for someone it didn't.

I see very little evidence of that. I suspect what you mean when you say "it didn't work" is actually, "they didn't like it", which is actually not the same thing. I see a lot of people saying they didn't like things on Macs, not a lot of people saying things didn't work on Macs.

I've never used an OS that actually _didn't work_.

Unless we're talking about 15+ years ago before Linux had driver support for most stuff, or trying to like, just install Mac OS on an unsupported platform without hackintosh workarounds.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by alecmg »

pix64 wrote: post #636
newscracker wrote: post #353

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> The negative is changing preferences... Windows is so poorly designed that I still wonder why there's Settings as well as Control Panel offering mostly the same settings, and old settings dialogs from Windows XP or Windows 2000 are still around!

Control Panel has been around for 24+ years and on top of that some (older) driver packages and apps install third party control panel applets as well. It's going to be a long rough road deprecating Control Panel and replacing it with Settings.

Why deprecate and replace something that a) works b) doesn't have any immediate problems c) is familiar to everyone and their granny

with something with less functionality and even less logic on where to look for a particular setting?

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by xtracto »

computerex wrote: post #559
xtracto wrote: post #405

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As with the other comment saying "have you used X/Y command" it is funny, given the original article. Someone should setup a list of all these "tricks" and non-standard "patches" that people have to use in Linux after installing it so that it works decently. Nowadays my desktop PC is a Linux (Mint) one. I like it, and I use it for several things, including gaming. But I don't kid me, the usability is utter crap, and…

Why do you think the usability is crap? Can you be more specific? I haven't had any issues with audio/bluetooth/wifi and many many people at my workplace use linux for development and I haven't heard about audio/wifi related issues since maybe 10 years ago.

Sure:

- bluetooth headphones refuse to connect half of the time (they work 100% on my phone and on windows on same hardware)

- audio: sometimes sound just refuses to play.. have to restart graphical session.

- upgrade: after upgrading mint to latest version, restarting got stuck in the terminal: it was missing some package. Had to manually pat install it.

- Android studio/mobile: have to fight for the OS to recognize connected mobile for adb.

- Game: CS:GO sometimes sound is either choppy or "fixing" it in game settings makes it leggy. Same game in steam as well works fine in windows in same hardware.

And the list of thousand paper cuts could go on.

Don't get me wrong, I still use Mint as my main OS in that computer. I have always been a Linux/BSD enthusiast. When I was in my 20s I enjoyed a lot tinkering with it, to make X11R6 work, then winmodems, then sound cards (with alsa), then wifi , etc. But nowadays at 37, I care less and less about dealing with that kind of thing.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by GordonS »

tekknik wrote: post #692
GordonS wrote: post #679

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You can use Task Scheduler to stop/start your PC at specific times.

Do you have anything to point to how to startup a windows box from cold boot using the Task Scheduler? Either I'm failing at google atm or you still have to schedule startup through the BIOS

Gah, you're right - I set it up ages ago and haven't touched it since; it's set to sleep and wake automatically, not to actually shut down. You would need to schedule startup through the BIOS if you wanted it to fully shutdown (I'd done that with my previous desktop).
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