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Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by thedaemon »

mmcnl wrote: post #514
esotericn wrote: post #291

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Gnome (3) is just a bit crap. It's the Windows DE of the GNU/Linux world. It's explicitly designed to be boring and not very customizable so that delicate users don't get scared. I use i3 and basically everything is configured via text files. Keyboard shortcuts are trivial etc. You don't need Karabiner to "rebind" because you can directly bind. You don't need to go scary tiling WM, Xfce probably works well, it's been…

Windows as a DE is quite excellent. Better than macOS even.

Honestly, Windows 7 is superior in use vs MacOS.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by ska »

alecmg wrote: post #228
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #213

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It is worth noting that a Linux 2019 entry in that list would be also completely identical to Linux 2000.

hardware compatibility, laptop compatibility and perhaps plugging in monitors have definitely improved.

well, it would have had to work pretty hard to become worse :)

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by disiplus »

eropple wrote: post #482
disiplus wrote: post #220

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sure but with hidpi display most of my apps are blurry, of browsers firefox nightly has it but chrome does not, intelij, vscode and so on.

That's odd. I run a 4K display at 150% and DataGrip (same codebase as IntelliJ) and VSCode look fine.

are you sure that the fonts aren't blurry ?

https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-218458

https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/72759

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by computerex »

dkonofalski wrote: post #419
computerex wrote: post #293

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Everything you have listed is solvable by using a different distribution/desktop environment. You can use something like Manjaro to get really up to date software, and it comes with different desktop environment flavors like Cinnamon. I think a more modern desktop environment would suit you best, and I highly recommend Cinnamon.

This is my issue with Linux, though, despite having a dev VM environment of several distros. There are a metric f*ckton of Linux distros out there and, for every one of them that fixes the problems mentioned in one breath, they break or ignore a whole litany of other things. When I first started with Linux, it was pretty much Red Hat or bust and that was a pain but you knew what you were getting into. Now, it's nearl…

> Linux, to me, is still very much a tinkerer's OS. If you don't have the time to tinker and get things working and just want to get things done, Linux is not the way to go.

Completely disagree with you. There are many fully featured desktop environments that are as feature rich as Windows or OSX. Cinnamon, elementary OS, Pop_OS are just three off the top of my head. And hardware support has gotten amazing since 2012 and onwards.

I use a flavor of linux on a few chromebooks and have used it on several laptops from brands like Apple, Dell, Acer, Lenovo, MSI as my primary OS since 2012 and haven't had any notable hardware issues. Things simply work out of the box.

Can you be more specific about what issues you experienced? When was it that you had these issues? I am having a hard time believing you, because my personal experience has been so positive.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by robocat »

nkoren wrote: post #190

Meh. I bailed out of the Mac ecosystem last year, as my mid-2012 retina Macbook was finally getting too creaky, and the latest Mac hardware was a regression in many respects, while simultaneously utterly unaffordable. I'm now dual-booting Ubuntu/Windows 10 on a Dell XPS 15". What this experience has taught me is that computing in 2019 basically sucks. The problems with 2000-era Linux, as described in the article, are…

I had a Dell XPS15, Ubuntu 18.04, with a set of fixes applied (I think GitHub JackHack96 dell-xps-9570-ubuntu-respin).

It worked OK with either 1080p or 4k external monitors - this was my everyday development machine.

No way was it perfect, but it was usable. Windows 10 has other issues. I don't use Mac, but I could see it clearly is far better at dealing with HiDpi monitors.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by LaSombra »

dkonofalski wrote: post #435
LaSombra wrote: post #216

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Probably. Prior to the touchbar model I could: Charge, drive 2 displays, use a YubiKey, connect to a wired network and have a spare USB for charging my phone or connect a Time Machine backup. Without daisy chain or a hub that's no longer possible. I know I'm an outlier but still, new laptops offer less and less ports, including my Lenovo T580, and that's a shame for some.

>Prior to the touchbar model Wait... why can't you do that anymore? I charge, drive 2 displays, and have several chargers and USB devices plugged in just via the 4 USB-C/Thunderbolt ports. Is your complaint the number of ports or the fact that they're USB-C? It sounds like the specific benefit was only the variety of ports unless I'm reading this wrong...

> and have several chargers and USB devices plugged in just via the 4 USB-C/Thunderbolt ports.

You may have missed the YubiKey and the wired network. :-)

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by yellowapple »

CountSessine wrote: post #533
msbarnett wrote: post #520

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> I use i3 and basically everything is configured via text files. Keyboard shortcuts are trivial etc. You don't need Karabiner to "rebind" because you can directly bind. This is the kind of hyperbole that Linux advocates like to throw around a lot, and it’s unfortunate, because it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what people are asking for when they say things like “I wish there was a decent replacement for Ka…

I don't think that there's a general appreciation for the depth and configurability of the cocoa/nextstep text and keyboard engine among linux and windows users. Almost all macos applications use it everywhere, so globally modifying keyboard bindings in all applications in all circumstances is easy. If I want to bind Meta-f to jump a word forward, I can have that behavior in every single text box or editing region in…

I have a tickling suspicion that if any free-software OS has any chance at replicating that sort of global unification/consistency across apps, it's Haiku. Sure, there are plenty of apps that are just straight ports from the Linux ecosystem, but there are also lots of apps written first and foremost for BeOS/Haiku (or ported to Haiku exceptionally well) and consequently feel like they "belong" just as nicely as the ones that come preinstalled.

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Post by computerex »

xtracto wrote: post #405
computerex wrote: post #212

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Have you tried using tlp/powertop? I'd say my battery life is pretty comparable to Windows after having done some optimizations using aforementioned tools.

As with the other comment saying "have you used X/Y command" it is funny, given the original article. Someone should setup a list of all these "tricks" and non-standard "patches" that people have to use in Linux after installing it so that it works decently. Nowadays my desktop PC is a Linux (Mint) one. I like it, and I use it for several things, including gaming. But I don't kid me, the usability is utter crap, and…

Why do you think the usability is crap? Can you be more specific? I haven't had any issues with audio/bluetooth/wifi and many many people at my workplace use linux for development and I haven't heard about audio/wifi related issues since maybe 10 years ago.

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Post by esotericn »

drclau wrote: post #495
esotericn wrote: post #389

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Right. So use Mac, and go for a nice walk outside whenever something pisses you off that is unmodifiable. You have the free time since you're not tinkering, right? :P

You assume that everyone wants to modify everything (or the unmodifiable, as you put it). After going through many years of FreeBSD and Linux, I now just want things to work. Mac gives me that. Should have switched sooner.

It works for you, yes. This entire page and thread of comments exists because for someone it didn't.
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