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Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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>Time to first token measured with an 8K-token prompt using a 14-billion parameter model with 4-bit quantization Oh dear 14B and 4-bit quant? There are going to be a lot of embarrassed programmers who need to explain to their engineering managers why their Macbook can't reasonably run LLMs like they said it could. (This already happened at my fortune 20 company lol)

Yeah no it didn’t. If you have a fully speced out M3/4 MacBook with enough memory you’re running pretty decent models locally already. But no one is using local models anyway.

> Yeah no it didn’t

What is "it" and what didn't it do?

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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> The battery is wearing out a bit, but it started out life with so much runtime that losing a few hours doesn't seem to matter. this is my exact opposite experience. my M3 Max from 2 years ago now has <2hrs battery life at best. wondering if any experts here can help me figure out what is going on? what should i be expecting?

As others have said, keep the battery in the 80%-30% range. Use the `batt` CLI tool to hard limit your max charge to 80%. Sadly, if you're already down to I type this from an M3 Max 2023 MBP that still has 98% battery health. But admittedly it's only gone through 102 charge cycles in ~2 years. (use `pmset -g rawbatt` to get cycle count or `system_profiler SPPowerDataType | grep -A3 'Health'` to get health and cycles)

> I type this from an M3 Max 2023 MBP that still has 98% battery health.

That's amazing. I have an early 2023 M2 Max MBP that mostly charges in desktop mode, which limits to 80%. I just looked in battery health and it says 82%. Damn! :(

For giggles, earlier today I asked Apple how much they'd give me for this machine if I traded it in on a brand new $5K M5 Max equivalent. $825. Ouch. I think I will keep it for a few more years. 96GB is enough memory to do anything I want, and it's been such a great performer that it's easily my favorite MacBook ever. I do wish the battery weren't so degraded though.

For anec-science, here goes:

  % pmset -g rawbatt
  03/03/2026 18:29:51
   AC; Not Charging; 76%; Cap=76: FCC=100; Design=6075;   Time=1092:15; 0mA; Cycles=63/1000; Location=0;
   Polled boot=02/09/2026 07:24:50; Full=03/03/2026   18:24:52; User visible=03/03/2026 18:28:52

  % system_profiler SPPowerDataType | grep -A3 'Health'
        Health Information:
            Cycle Count: 63
            Condition: Normal
            Maximum Capacity: 82%

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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They just didn't do anything with the touchbar. It could have actually been more useful. The removal of the esc key was pretty dumb though.

I liked it for having volume/brightness sliders . But that's nowhere near enough to justify it!

Yes that was some analog-feeling goodness

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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On M4 Max 128GB we're seeing ~100 tok/s generation on a 30B parameter model in our from scratch inference engine. Very curious what the "4x faster LLM prompt processing" translates to in practice. Smallish, local 30B-70B inference is genuinely usable territory for real dev workflows, not just demos. Will require staying plugged in though.

How much of your RAM does that use including kv cache. Is there enough left to run real dev workloads AND the llm?

Also can you run batchwise effectively like vllm on cuda?

Enough to run multiple agents at the same time with throughput?

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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> NVIDIA RTX 5090 already offers 1,792 GB/s You can buy two m5 pro base model for the same price as a single 5090...

That's a fun comparison, but can you run those 2 m5 pros in parallel to accomplish 2x the work? Otherwise, you just told me you can buy 2 toyota corollas for the price of 1 F-150 while trying to convince me you can haul your boat behind both corollas at the same time.

Maybe not 2x (scaling is never linear) but you can absolutely chain them, and macOS supports RDMA over TB5 for even better performance https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46248644

Maybe hold back on the attitude

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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I downgraded today for the first time in my life. Sequoia is crazy fast in my MacBook Air m2 16gb Not upgrading any of my Macs ever again. I was a fanboy looking for every new update like a present, for 13 years, not anymore. It took one Tahoe burn all that trust. Never upgrading major OS versions on hardware from Apple again.

Sequoia is 15. I still have my M1 Mini on Sonoma 14.5. It keeps nagging me to update to Tahoe. Oh ... I just checked, and I could update to 14.8.4. Maybe that's safe.

Same. Been rocking Sonoma on my M1 Mac for years at this point and it’s been great. There’s been almost zero upsides to upgrading MacOS versions lately.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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my tinfoil hat theory is that they make small features depend on new hardware. for example, let's say the new os depends on m5's exclusive thumbnail generator accelerator, and let's say it improves speed by a 20%. now, your M1 notebook than on previous OSes uses standard gpu acceleration for thumbnails will not have this specialized hardware acceleration, it will have software fallback that will be 90% slower. you wo…

yes pretty much this. make useless features use up resources and make basic scrolling slow. the Liquid Glass for example probably is not so great when it comes to resources. Probably works better with latest metal and hardware blocks on the GPU in M5 as opposed to using GPU cores and unified memory on 8gb M1 making latest macOS work not so great. I have the M1 8gb air and it is really slow on Tahoe. It was snappy jus…

I'm so tempted to do this. But having to wipe my MBP is currently too much friction for me.

Liquid Glass is really killing my love for Apple products. I'll probably get a Framework and an Android phone for my next device purchases.

They really need to just admit it was a bad move and make like Sonic.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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>Time to first token measured with an 8K-token prompt using a 14-billion parameter model with 4-bit quantization Oh dear 14B and 4-bit quant? There are going to be a lot of embarrassed programmers who need to explain to their engineering managers why their Macbook can't reasonably run LLMs like they said it could. (This already happened at my fortune 20 company lol)

Yeah no it didn’t. If you have a fully speced out M3/4 MacBook with enough memory you’re running pretty decent models locally already. But no one is using local models anyway.

With OpenClaw and powerful local models like Kimi 2.5, these specs make a lot of sense.
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