Bill text appears to be a copy/paste from a similar Colorado bill that just made the rounds. Methinks there's a special interest group trying to ram this garbage through a bunch of state legislatures.
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A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification
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Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification
#682I actually prefer an OS-level API for Age verification rather than treating everyone as a child-by-default unless they upload their personal information to some random vendor.
BUT this is obviously not the right way to implement this.
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#683Earlier quoted context omitted.
MOST cases don't make it to jury. They're more likely to be resolved via motions and countermotions and the decisions of a jduge. To dumb down "operating system" for normies, they're probably going to say something along the lines of "the software that makes your computer work.. like Windows." If it stays at that level, we'll have a specific, discrete definition in play. A broader, equally correct definition could be…
Defendants can always opt for a judge to rule on the case. At that point, what the law actually says matters a lot (unless the judge is corrupt, which is becoming more common in the US, but with corrupt judges, it doesn’t really matter how good or bad the laws is).
Good call. What's this law's definition of "operating system"?
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#684> Assembly Bill No. 1043 was approved by California governor Gavin Newsom in October of last year, and becomes active on January 1, 2027
It was already approved? This seems wildly invasive, and CA can't even pretend they're doing it to stop porn. CA is just monitoring citizens for the love of the game
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#685Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The reality is, most government "solutions" cause more problems than they solve The "reality" is that propaganda heavily encourages you to ignore the government successes and only focus on the failures. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine who benefits from that.
> "government successes" Please, name for me one product or service that the US government has created, that people willingly buy, that has made your life tangibly better. I can list a billion made by businesses. Please, go for it. Just one.
Didn't gov funded science invent MRIs?
Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification
#686Earlier quoted context omitted.
This take makes no sense to me. What parents should be doing is enabling age controls. Which means those age control features need to exist . So the state is making sure the features exist. There's no verification. The headline is a lie. It's just an account setting that parents can use if they want to.
The features are all already here.
For apps it's inconsistent, for Internet access the options are awful.
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Yes, buried in the settings of each account on each service. Parents want the equivalent of being able to let their kid go to the mall and trust that the movie theater will not let them in to an R-rated movie. They don't want to have to call the theater, identify the child, and say "don't let them in to this list of movies".
Movie theater attendant is a highschooler not a member of the stasi. Age verification doesn’t even work in the meatspace.
> Movie theater attendant is a highschooler not a member of the stasi.
And a flag on the account would be like the highschooler, right? As opposed to having nothing in way too many situations.
> Age verification doesn’t even work in the meatspace.
It works a lot better than nothing, you won't have 10 years olds getting into all the R rated movies they want. It doesn't have to be perfect, and a bit of wiggle room can even be a good thing for learning how to navigate the world.
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#688Earlier quoted context omitted.
The argument is that they are selling a product they know is "spoiled", but the analogy breaks down and actually becomes more like you allow your children to smoke cigarettes or dink alcohol regularly. They often knew they were lying and saying they were over 13 to access services, but hey, your kid can't be the only not one smoking cigarettes or drinking, right?
Not too long ago, it wasn't that uncommon for children to smoke. Hell, now they're starting to vape. What percentage of those do you think are being "allowed" to do so by their parents?
As a present parent: there is no way your child smoked cigarettes daily and you didn't know as a parent.
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All of those worries you list are extreme and unreasonable and ruled out by spending two minutes reading the bill: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtm... The only remedies listed are: > 1798.503. (a) A person that violates this title shall be subject to an injunction and liable for a civil penalty of not more than two thousand five hundred dollars ($2,500) per affected child for each negligen…
Those worries are ruled out... for now. Laws can be amended.
Then never go anywhere because eventually there might be a law there you disagree with. This is such a stupid argument.
Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification
#690I figured California would have been against the age verification on the adult sites like Texas and some other states are doing but then they go and 1UP them and decide to require age verification on the whole OS
This is a weak read of the situation. I’d sure as fuck rather enter a date of birth or age profile on my computer than send my photo id to random websites to verify my age. One is clearly better from a privacy standpoint.