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A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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The jury is selected randomly. They try to weed out obvious kooks, but there is no attempt to make it either reasonable or moderate. The hope is that twelve of your peers will at least avoid being able to persecute you for political goals. I hope neither of us ever has to find out.

Have you ever gone through jury selection? It isn't what you think it is.

It was like something out of a parks and rec episode.

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It would just be unenforced for all platforms except windows, apple and android. I doubt the california legislature knows what a Linux even is.

>I doubt the california legislature knows what a Linux even is. they would never need to know it once they learn what SecureBoot is. Any device with 1+ Gflop must have SecureBoot, and goodbye general computing.

It’s the V-chip and Clipper chip madness all over again. While they are at it can they start requiring the rich, famous, and powerful to get age verification before interacting with people to prevent another Epstein?

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That doesn't seem to be the intent for something like, say, Debian. How would that work anyway? This would probably cover something like a Linux based Steam box, where there are different organizations providing applications.

That may not be the intent, but it seems like it would still apply. Many of the “app stores” on Linux are just front ends for the package manager in some way. I assume the people behind this don’t know things like apt or dnf exist, so it likely wasn’t considered.

There are a large number of things that the people behind this don't know about. That doesn't mean that they screwed up. It means that the law does not apply to those things.

Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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> …requires an account holder to indicate the birth date, age, or both, of the user of that device…

The way I read that, you just have to ask for an indication of age. Like when I'm not logged in to Steam and I want to look at a game with blood, it asks for a birth year and I pretend to be 109. That's not exactly "age verification." Am I missing something?

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Ignoring all the tedious 'no, you're a bad person for having different priorities and beliefs to me' comments that this will inevitably inspire, I have to ask: why does the operating system need to be involved in this? The intended target of the regulation seems to be app stores. Someone has fallen victim to Politician's Logic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vidzkYnaf6Y

The goal is to lock down anonymous computing and increase control of government and reach of the surveillance state. It isn’t to save little Billy from seeing a titty.

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This take makes no sense to me. What parents should be doing is enabling age controls. Which means those age control features need to exist . So the state is making sure the features exist. There's no verification. The headline is a lie. It's just an account setting that parents can use if they want to.

The features are all already here.

Yes, buried in the settings of each account on each service.

Parents want the equivalent of being able to let their kid go to the mall and trust that the movie theater will not let them in to an R-rated movie. They don't want to have to call the theater, identify the child, and say "don't let them in to this list of movies".

Re: A new California law says all operating systems need to have age verification

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Reaction 1: how would this even work with embedded systems that have no UI to input this data? Reaction 2: it's open source, make the lawmakers do submit the changes. Reaction 3: how would this ever be enforced? Would they outlaw downloading distributions, or even older versions of distributions? When there's no exchange of money, a law like this is seems like it would be suppression of free speech. Reaction 4: Someo…

March 1st is now officially malicious compliance day.

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I’m aware of the history, but my point is that as a specific reform to pursue, it’s noise. If California moves to a Parliamentary system but maintains the popular ballot initiative that has undermined legislative power and allowed legislators to disclaim & dodge responsibility, or maintain the system of term limits I originally called out, then it doesn’t matter whether it’s our current bicameral legislature plus 5 C…

I guess the reality is, all proposed solutions have low odds of success, and their relative probability ranking is debatable. At least something like "adopt the Australia/Canada model" is easier for people to understand, because while a radical change, they can point to somewhere else that has been doing it successfully for decades. Incremental tinkering with the current rules can make unengaged people mentally switc…

The difficulty level of changing the California Constitution is not high, and is dramatically lower than changing the US Constitution. The difficulty is convincing people what to change and why.

Flipping the table because it’s dramatic is not my first choice.

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