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Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android

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Re: Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android

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TL;DR If you're not using Linux by now, do yourself a favor and start. You could do worse than starting with Linux Mint or PopOS, but whatever you do, get ahead of the curve and transition to these user-friendly open sourced OSes. The alternative is far, far worse at the moment.

The issue is with Android, not desktop. Linux Mint and PopOS run on desktop. They aren't alternatives to Android.

Re: Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android

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post #503

The funny thing is Stallman started his fight like half a century ago and on regular days Hacker News shits on him eating something off of his foot and not being polished and diplomatic, and loves practical aspects of Corporate Open Source and gratis goodies and doesn't particularly care about Free Software. On this day suddenly folks come out of the woodwork advocating for half baked measures to achieve what Stallma…

fact: it is possible to be a good and clean person at the same time

Re: Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android

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I always wonder, who are the developers doing this? don't they feel bad about going through with these changes or do they fool themselves thinking it's the right thing? is it greed? many other fields have an explicit or implicit ethics code which we seem to lack. I'm thinking about other fields like medicine, engineering, etc. Probably since the entry level to development is low and anyone can do it, it means there's…

I have a couple of friends working at Google. They don't care about this stuff at all. They seem to be completely bought into the "every man for himself" neoliberal worldview. My sample size is obviously small, but judging by the actions of the company, my friends seem not to be the exception.

Re: Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android

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The page about developer verification (announcement link 2 in the root post) says that there will be a separate type of account for "student and hobbyist developers". Why? What prevents students and hobbyists from using the regular type of account?

Re: Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android

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post #407

Every day we stray farther from the premise that we should be allowed to install / modify software on the computers we own. Will once again re-up the concept of a “right to root access”, to prevent big corps from pulling this bs over and over again: https://medhir.com/blog/right-to-root-access

Computing devices hardware and operating systems should be treated as essential digital infrastructure, with laws in place to ensure that the owner of the device retains full control over it and to prevent manufacturers or developers from over-imposing their control.

Computing devices hardware and operating systems should be treated as a consumer's choice.

If a company offers some benefit at the cost of some restriction, then users should decide if that benefit is worth the cost. For most Android users, it will be - my grandma isn't interested in the freedom of indie devs to develop for her phone, she's interested in not accidentally installing malware.

I don't like that as much as you don't - for my own devices. But like anyone else who cares about that, I can root it and get past the digital nanny state.

Re: Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android

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The worst part is the Orwellian opening sentence they start with in their blog post [0]: > You shouldn’t have to choose between open and secure 2+2=5 Truly the end of an era. I've spent nearly two decades buying Android phones because of a single checkbox in settings that let me have the freedom I consider essential to any computing device that I own. In a way, it's liberating, I've missed out on a lot from the Apple…

GrapheneOS will put it back into your hands.

Re: Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android

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We have 2 ecosystems for mobile and the worst case scenario is starting to be clear for Android. I love GrapheneOS but they can only thrive if Google tolerate them. So in its current form, this is not a medium or long term solution (anymore). We really cannot afford to think in terms of "Android OS" or open source OS anymore the problem is getting much bigger. My guess is soon in many "free" countries, ISP will manda…

Absolutely. Governments everywhere are now pushing for online identification to access online resources. This is not a coincidence.

Google is - imho obviously - in contact with governments. You will need to reveal your verified, online identity in order to create a app. Even if you are just a hobbyist putting the app on your own phone.

1984 was supposed to be a warning, not a handbook.

Re: Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android

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post #503

The funny thing is Stallman started his fight like half a century ago and on regular days Hacker News shits on him eating something off of his foot and not being polished and diplomatic, and loves practical aspects of Corporate Open Source and gratis goodies and doesn't particularly care about Free Software. On this day suddenly folks come out of the woodwork advocating for half baked measures to achieve what Stallma…

I read your comment and assumed he ate some food that fell on his foot. And I thought that was gross. But omg it’s so much worse

Re: Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android

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Ha ha very funny from no-evil-google. The worst most misbehaving apps I've ever had the misfortune of using came from their app store. The best apps I use regularly are from F-Droid, github and ones I baked myself. You take that away and your Android is Nodroid.

Well I guess my next is an apple, but I'm hoping open-source android distros will get more dev resources now. Will happily use a sub-optimal distro over google's.

This of course has nothing to do with security, it's mainly the managements reaction to Youtube alternative apps actually growing in userbase (happy user of one here). And also to ban alternative app stores naturally.

Let us all not forget that YT videos are internet users created not google created, and the only reason why Google thinks this will work for them is their belief there is no competition to YT.

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