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Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by vips7L »

gmd63 wrote: post #662

If you don't like it, start another payment processor that doesn't cave to pressure. Where are all the free market proselytizers at? I expect all of you complaining about this to never once complain on legal grounds about Apple's 30% tax in the app store or when a bakery refuses to sell a cake to a gay person. This is what unrestricted freedom for every entity looks like. And this is why we need laws and regulations…

> proselytizers

Off topic: I heard this word for the first time last night and now I’m seeing it here. Funny how that works sometimes.

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by throwaway494932 »

gmd63 wrote: post #662

If you don't like it, start another payment processor that doesn't cave to pressure. Where are all the free market proselytizers at? I expect all of you complaining about this to never once complain on legal grounds about Apple's 30% tax in the app store or when a bakery refuses to sell a cake to a gay person. This is what unrestricted freedom for every entity looks like. And this is why we need laws and regulations…

> If you don't like it, start another payment processor that doesn't cave to pressure.

Or, gosh, use bitcoin et al.

It's interesting that when people ask "what's the use case for cryptos?", "being an alternative to Visa and Mastercard" is not often mentioned. That alone is a good enough reason to support it.

Civitai has been recently forced by payment processors to crack down on AI-generated porn. Since then, given that the processors told them that they may want do restrict them even more, they have added ability to use cryptos to pay for their services.

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by azangru »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #666
gmd63 wrote: post #662

If you don't like it, start another payment processor that doesn't cave to pressure. Where are all the free market proselytizers at? I expect all of you complaining about this to never once complain on legal grounds about Apple's 30% tax in the app store or when a bakery refuses to sell a cake to a gay person. This is what unrestricted freedom for every entity looks like. And this is why we need laws and regulations…

Okay. I walk into a Jewish bakery and want a red cake with a Nazi flag on it.

At least in your example there are some bakers to empathize with. They would have to manually bake the cake.

Now imagine your phone refuses to take a picture of the Nazi flag, because the owners of the phone manufacturing company have a certain moral code.

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway494932 wrote: post #682
gmd63 wrote: post #662

If you don't like it, start another payment processor that doesn't cave to pressure. Where are all the free market proselytizers at? I expect all of you complaining about this to never once complain on legal grounds about Apple's 30% tax in the app store or when a bakery refuses to sell a cake to a gay person. This is what unrestricted freedom for every entity looks like. And this is why we need laws and regulations…

> If you don't like it, start another payment processor that doesn't cave to pressure. Or, gosh, use bitcoin et al. It's interesting that when people ask "what's the use case for cryptos?", "being an alternative to Visa and Mastercard" is not often mentioned. That alone is a good enough reason to support it. Civitai has been recently forced by payment processors to crack down on AI-generated porn. Since then, given t…

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Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by Levitz »

0xcafefood wrote: post #388
bfg_9k wrote: post #368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This genuinely baffles me. Who cares! It's a video game. It's pixels on a screen. True crime podcasts and movies are a-okay but when its a video game that's where the line is drawn?

There are still taboos even for pixels on a screen, even for video games. It's a good thing. There should be. Perhaps you're just saying that you're mostly comfortable with the depiction of some forms of violence in some contexts. But what about other scenarios though? Would you feel the same about a game where the player runs around raping women, or capturing and lynching escaped slaves? It's just pixels!

>But what about other scenarios though? Would you feel the same about a game where the player runs around raping women, or capturing and lynching escaped slaves?

Yes and yes. We have worse stuff in literature already.

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by kelseyfrog »

hulitu wrote: post #668
kelseyfrog wrote: post #415

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people who care signed their names[1]. It's not a secret or anything. Most of the signatories are associated with Australian anti sex trafficking and exploitation groups, although there are several UK signatories and a couple Americans. A publication[2] by one of the signatories connects the dots. It's driven by the core idea: "Pornography Use Shapes and Changes Sexual Tastes"[3] which is supported by "In a surve…

> 47% reported being involved in practice or seeing pornography which previously was not interesting to or even disgusted them Yeah, right.

The source[1] for the statistic is referenced. Was there a particular part of it that you found incorrect?

1. https://www.academia.edu/27521992/Online_sexual_activities_A...

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

azangru wrote: post #683
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #666

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay. I walk into a Jewish bakery and want a red cake with a Nazi flag on it.

At least in your example there are some bakers to empathize with. They would have to manually bake the cake. Now imagine your phone refuses to take a picture of the Nazi flag, because the owners of the phone manufacturing company have a certain moral code.

In that case, I don’t buy a phone from that manufacturing company. Maybe I want that on purpose in a different way, to prevent my kids from taking nudes.

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by idiotsecant »

throwaway494932 wrote: post #682
gmd63 wrote: post #662

If you don't like it, start another payment processor that doesn't cave to pressure. Where are all the free market proselytizers at? I expect all of you complaining about this to never once complain on legal grounds about Apple's 30% tax in the app store or when a bakery refuses to sell a cake to a gay person. This is what unrestricted freedom for every entity looks like. And this is why we need laws and regulations…

> If you don't like it, start another payment processor that doesn't cave to pressure. Or, gosh, use bitcoin et al. It's interesting that when people ask "what's the use case for cryptos?", "being an alternative to Visa and Mastercard" is not often mentioned. That alone is a good enough reason to support it. Civitai has been recently forced by payment processors to crack down on AI-generated porn. Since then, given t…

I have been a crypto evangelist since it was a weird nerd hobby nobody knew about for this exact reason. It should be nobody's business who I transfer value to or why. The corpo-state has had control of the levers and dials of currency for way too long. They can still enforce laws, and if I'm causing some illegal event to occur by paying money to someone, that event is still illegal. Arrest me for that. But get rid of the rent seeking and monetary policy that seems to just make the whole problem worse.

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by ninalanyon »

martin-t wrote: post #670
gmd63 wrote: post #662

If you don't like it, start another payment processor that doesn't cave to pressure. Where are all the free market proselytizers at? I expect all of you complaining about this to never once complain on legal grounds about Apple's 30% tax in the app store or when a bakery refuses to sell a cake to a gay person. This is what unrestricted freedom for every entity looks like. And this is why we need laws and regulations…

IME people who propose absolute freedom in any regard (speech, use of power, use of money,...) fundamentally don't understand the difference of power between individuals, let alone individuals and organizations. This is why anarcho- anything can't work. Some people specialize in building thing, since in providing a service, some specialize in making money and grabbing power. When the builders and providers don't unit…

> fundamentally don't understand the difference of power between individuals,

Or they really do understand and are of the opinion that they will be the beneficiaries. That they are in a position to exploit this difference.

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by idiotsecant »

martin-t wrote: post #670
gmd63 wrote: post #662

If you don't like it, start another payment processor that doesn't cave to pressure. Where are all the free market proselytizers at? I expect all of you complaining about this to never once complain on legal grounds about Apple's 30% tax in the app store or when a bakery refuses to sell a cake to a gay person. This is what unrestricted freedom for every entity looks like. And this is why we need laws and regulations…

IME people who propose absolute freedom in any regard (speech, use of power, use of money,...) fundamentally don't understand the difference of power between individuals, let alone individuals and organizations. This is why anarcho- anything can't work. Some people specialize in building thing, since in providing a service, some specialize in making money and grabbing power. When the builders and providers don't unit…

Absolute freedom can be achieved - as long as you're the one holding the gun. Other than that, it's social contracts all the way down (which are more or less letting someone else hold the gun)
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