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Awfully familiar to the other South-African emerald mine inheritor tech mogul.

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> If you watch some long form interviews with Elon, you’ll see that he cares a lot about the truth.

You mean the guy who's infamous for lying? The guy who claimed his car was fully self driving more than a decade before it is? The guy who tweeted "funding secured" and facing multiple fraud charges?

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I think when you’re jumping to arguments that resolve to “Ilya Sutskever wasn’t doing important work… might’ve played the diversity card,” it’s time to reassess your mental model and inspect it closely for motivated reasoning.

Ilya's case is different. He thought the engineers would win in a dispute with Sam at board level. That has proven to be a mistake

And Jan Leike, one of the progenitors of RLHF?

What about Geoffrey Hinton? Stuart Russell? Dario Amodei?

Also exceptions to your model?

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There's another comment saying something sort of similar elsewhere in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40396366 What made you think it was the next Enron five years ago? I appreciate you having the guts to stand up to them.

First, thank you for probably being the first person to recognize in print that it wasn’t easy to stand up to these folks in public, plenty have said things like “you’re fighting the good fight” in private, but I think you’re the first person to in any sense second the motion in my personal case, so big ups on having the guts to say it too. I’ve never been a YC-funded founder myself, but I’ve had multiple roommates w…

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Please. Elon's track record to take tesla from concept car stage to current mass production levels and building SpaceX from scratch is hardly comparable to Altman's track record.

SpaceX didn’t start from scratch. Their initial designs were based on NASA designs. Stop perpetuating the “genius engineer” myth around Elon Musk.

SpaceX is still the only company with reusable rockets. NASA only dreams about it and cant even make a regular rocket launch on time

Re: OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk?

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Extra respect is due to Jan Leike, then: https://x.com/janleike/status/1791498174659715494

Reading that thread it’s really interesting to me. I see how far we’ve come in a short couple of years. But I still can’t grasp how we’ll achieve AGI within any reasonable amount of time. It just seems like we’re missing some really critical… something… Idk. Folks much smarter than I seem worried so maybe I should be too but it just seems like such a long shot.

This may sound harsh but I think some of these researchers have a sort of god complex. Something like "I am so brilliant and what I have created is so powerful that we MUST think about all the horrible things that my brilliant creation can do". Meanwhile what they have created is just a very impressive next token predictor.

Re: OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk?

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So part of their compensation for working is equity, and when they leave thay have to sign an additional agreement in order to keep their previously earned compensation? How is this legal? Mine as well tell them they have to give all their money back too. What's the consideration for this contract?

I'm guessing unvested equity is being treated separately from other forms of compensation. Normally, leaving a company loses the individual all rights to unvested options. Here the considetation is that options are retained in exchange for silence.

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But he is a manager, not an engineer although he sells himself off as such. He keeps smart capable folks around, abuses most of them pretty horribly, and when he intervenes with products its hit and miss. For example latest Tesla Model 3 changes must have been pretty major fuckup and there is no way he didn't ack it all. Plus all self-driving lies and more lies well within fraud territory at this point. Not even goin…

"A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticize work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life's realities—all these are marks, not ... of superiority but of weakness.”

As is repeatedly spamming the same pasta

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Any stories or events you can talk about? It sounds interesting

The New Yorker piece is pretty terrifying and manages to be so while bending over backwards to present both sides of not maybe even suck up to SV a bit. Certainly no one forced Altman to say on the record that Ice Nine in the water glass was what he had planned for anyone who crossed him, and no one forced pg to say, likewise on the record that “Sam’s real talent is becoming powerful” or something to that effect. It…

> The New Yorker piece is pretty terrifying and manages to be so while bending over backwards to present both sides of not maybe even suck up to SV a bit. Certainly no one forced Altman to say on the record that Ice Nine in the water glass was what he had planned for anyone who crossed him, and no one forced pg to say, likewise on the record that “Sam’s real talent is becoming powerful” or something to that effect.

Article: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/10/sam-altmans-ma...

Re: OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk?

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I would strongly encourage anyone faced with this ask by OpenAI to file a complaint with the NLRB as well as speak with an employment attorney familiar with California statute.

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Plenty of people are already miserable. Might as well try if you are no?
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